Bad Opinion?

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Finished the game at almost 30 total hours.
Is it bad that I would view this too small of a game content compare to their original Suikoden Series?
Is it bad I was hoping for at least 120+ Hours like Suikoden 1?

1: I feel like not enough characters to recruit and they feel too easy to obtain.

2: Not enough 1 v 1 battles and it kinda makes no sense about the Attack/Defense/Break because I never lost once.

3: Unless you build up the Training Module for Army Battle, the Main story doesn't offer much Army Battle.

4: Small World Map/Exploration, there I said it.

5: I will continue to mention this so Clown reward me if you like, The Localization Writing and Story. Compare to Suikoden, the Story here is just so.. cliche, cringe, uninspired and "Obvious Villain syndrome" that with the power of Friendship we will defeat you....

[Valar Morghulis]

How can you clear in 30 hours? Im in 100 hours and still not on final battle

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Originally posted by Valar Morghulis:

How can you clear in 30 hours? Im in 100 hours and still not on final battle

Abused some character skills, hero combo and that basement dungeon to speed up lving.
Mio and Momo ftw
And the knowledge/Experience for playing too many JRPG

[Macona]

Originally posted by PFC Demigo 29ID:

Is it bad I was hoping for at least 120+ Hours like Suikoden 1?

Suikoden 1 is like 30 hours tops, this game is more than double that unless you're speedrunning

[Valar Morghulis]

So you want challenge? Dark souls maybe? Game is fantastic imo.

[Ederwolf]

But suikoden 1 is barely 10h+ game tho and suiko 2 is 30+ tops.
You also abused the mystery room to overlevel main game. Gee I wonder why it went by too fast for you.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Originally posted by Ederwolf:

But suikoden 1 is barely 10h+ game tho and suiko 2 is 30+ tops.
You also abused the mystery room to overlevel main game. Gee I wonder why it went by too fast for you.

I don't ever recall during 2000s those 2 games barely even hitting 10+ and 30+ hours.

[Ederwolf]

Originally posted by PFC Demigo 29ID:

Originally posted by Ederwolf:

But suikoden 1 is barely 10h+ game tho and suiko 2 is 30+ tops.
You also abused the mystery room to overlevel main game. Gee I wonder why it went by too fast for you.

I don't ever recall during 2000s those 2 games barely even hitting 10+ and 30+ hours.

Oh, I said that, because your complaint sounded to me like "this game is shorter than suikoden games!", when it's not. Especially if you take the time to finish every side activity and if you want to get all the achievements on steam/ps5 version.

[archonsod]

Originally posted by PFC Demigo 29ID:

Finished the game at almost 30 total hours.
Is it bad that I would view this too small of a game content compare to their original Suikoden Series?

You have nothing better to do with your life than spend weeks playing the same game?

Is it bad I was hoping for at least 120+ Hours like Suikoden 1?

There's always NG+

4: Small World Map/Exploration, there I said it.

Size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it that counts. The problem is the world map is largely *empty* except for the handful of towns and dungeons on each map. Unless you're farming random encounters there's pretty much no reason to explore it, and no reason not to use fast travel once available. A larger map in and of itself would do nothing beyond risk turning the game into a walking simulator. Having more stuff actually happen on the world map on the other hand ...

5: I will continue to mention this so Clown reward me if you like, The Localization Writing and Story. Compare to Suikoden, the Story here is just so.. cliche, cringe, uninspired and "Obvious Villain syndrome" that with the power of Friendship we will defeat you....

That's not the localisation - the game is pretty much written as a Saturday morning cartoon in the original language too.

[tankanidis]

I love the gaslighting people are trying to use against OP

OP gives them a detailed opinion with points step by step

They reply by saying Suikoden 1 is a 10 hour game

Absolutely amazing gaslighting

[Orge Lambart]

people who've never played Suikoden 1 here commenting that it's 10 hour game.. game was 10 hours if you played it numerous times and knew all the stuff or used a Prima Guide1.. Playing it cold you were getting 20 - 25 hours..

This game seems like it pays homage to the Suikoden Series It's not as good but it's clear the influence was there..

Instead of people being angry about it some of the games short comings, why don't we just enjoy the fact that maybe now we might start seeing some RPG's with robust character recruitment which has been sorely missing on steam..

[Melodia]

Originally posted by tankanidis:

I love the gaslighting people are trying to use against OP

OP gives them a detailed opinion with points step by step

Yes, but the OP is also lying so.....

[SimranZenov]

The OP is obviously just bragging on completing under 30 hours while disguising his post as an issue with playtime...

You did good. Here's a cookie.

[LotR[Henchman]]

Originally posted by PFC Demigo 29ID:

Finished the game at almost 30 total hours.
Is it bad that I would view this too small of a game content compare to their original Suikoden Series?
Is it bad I was hoping for at least 120+ Hours like Suikoden 1?

1: I feel like not enough characters to recruit and they feel too easy to obtain.

2: Not enough 1 v 1 battles and it kinda makes no sense about the Attack/Defense/Break because I never lost once.

3: Unless you build up the Training Module for Army Battle, the Main story doesn't offer much Army Battle.

4: Small World Map/Exploration, there I said it.

5: I will continue to mention this so Clown reward me if you like, The Localization Writing and Story. Compare to Suikoden, the Story here is just so.. cliche, cringe, uninspired and "Obvious Villain syndrome" that with the power of Friendship we will defeat you....

Nah your opinion is fine, although i'd think expecting a 120 hrs game is a bit much as i don't remember any of the older Suikoden taking that long to finish.

In regards to 5. - the translation seems to be off, but i wouldn't call the writing cringe or anything.
The evil side isn't more or less complex than it was in Suikoden I or II. Only difference i see is how much hours we got of actual story. The complexity of "evil" Imperium is there with Seigns defection and his father - which likely will get explored more with one of the story dlcs.
In general i think a lot of the shortcomings (besides perhaps pulling a few more punches in not killing of young characters on screen) is more steming from the fact that it likely had less of a budget in terms of what it costs today to produce a game - but that's an assumption of me.

[Cless]

This game just can't compare to classic Suikodens. Suikoden 3, for example, while not being the best (that's 2), was easily 100+ hours to 100%. Plus it had unlockable chapters from Villains perspective for even more gameplay time.

[LotR[Henchman]]

Originally posted by Cless:

This game just can't compare to classic Suikodens. Suikoden 3, for example, while not being the best (that's 2), was easily 100+ hours to 100%. Plus it had unlockable chapters from Villains perspective for even more gameplay time.

Yes and S2 was around 30 to 40 hours, for a normal playthrough. So i think you guys are trying to compare how good the games were on the wrong metric.
Also just to have a more objective measure of how long the titles actually were, there's howlongtobeat.com.