Devs ruined the ending of the game for me.

[Abomination713]

Trying to get all the characters cause why wouldn't you. I was at the mission called "The Final Battle" so I was trying to get everything done. The game locked Marisa due to story reasons and I couldn't get one of the other characters due to needing her in the party. I did the mission anyway and a huge story beat happens. Afterwards I got access to Marisa again and was able to get the character. Now I'm missing the last character which requires you to have everyone. I couldn't figure out why I didn't get her so I looked it up. Turns out you need to have everyone BEFORE that major story beat or else the ending is screwed and you don't get the last character.

How the devs thought it was a good idea to lock ANYONE away before the final chance to change the ending was a good idea I will never know. Thanks devs. You ruined the entire game for me and I will be posting a negative review due to your incompetence. You also deserve the negative review anyway due to have RNG items in the shops that only have a 10% chance to show up. What a stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic.

[Louro999]

Why the hell would marisa prevent you from getting all the characters ? Who are you missing ?

[Fatch]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Louro999:

Why the hell would marisa prevent you from getting all the characters ? Who are you missing ?

probably aleior that's the only one really needing marisa

totally agree about shop

[prudenut]

This game was doomed to be mid ever since i saw it, glad i dodged a bullet

[valentino.lizal]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Abomination713:

Trying to get all the characters cause why wouldn't you. I was at the mission called "The Final Battle" so I was trying to get everything done. The game locked Marisa due to story reasons and I couldn't get one of the other characters due to needing her in the party. I did the mission anyway and a huge story beat happens. Afterwards I got access to Marisa again and was able to get the character. Now I'm missing the last character which requires you to have everyone. I couldn't figure out why I didn't get her so I looked it up. Turns out you need to have everyone BEFORE that major story beat or else the ending is screwed and you don't get the last character.

How the devs thought it was a good idea to lock ANYONE away before the final chance to change the ending was a good idea I will never know. Thanks devs. You ruined the entire game for me and I will be posting a negative review due to your incompetence. You also deserve the negative review anyway due to have RNG items in the shops that only have a 10% chance to show up. What a stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic.

Did you play Suikoden games back then?
I remember Suikoden 1 also has cutoff time before final battle. (Gremio will stay dead if 108 star not collected)

During Suikoden II you have to recruit all 108 char or Nanami (the Hero's sister will stay dead)

IV to V also has this kind of things.

So looking at the records im not surprised if Eiyuden has that conditions.

Since back then RNG item to get a character is totally normal.

[Sigma]

Opprinnelig skrevet av valentino.lizal:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Abomination713:

Trying to get all the characters cause why wouldn't you. I was at the mission called "The Final Battle" so I was trying to get everything done. The game locked Marisa due to story reasons and I couldn't get one of the other characters due to needing her in the party. I did the mission anyway and a huge story beat happens. Afterwards I got access to Marisa again and was able to get the character. Now I'm missing the last character which requires you to have everyone. I couldn't figure out why I didn't get her so I looked it up. Turns out you need to have everyone BEFORE that major story beat or else the ending is screwed and you don't get the last character.

How the devs thought it was a good idea to lock ANYONE away before the final chance to change the ending was a good idea I will never know. Thanks devs. You ruined the entire game for me and I will be posting a negative review due to your incompetence. You also deserve the negative review anyway due to have RNG items in the shops that only have a 10% chance to show up. What a stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic.

Did you play Suikoden games back then?
I remember Suikoden 1 also has cutoff time before final battle. (Gremio will stay dead if 108 star not collected)

During Suikoden II you have to recruit all 108 char or Nanami (the Hero's sister will stay dead)

IV to V also has this kind of things.

So looking at the records im not surprised if Eiyuden has that conditions.

Since back then RNG item to get a character is totally normal.

It seems like you missed the game title, it's called Eiyuden chronicle, not suikoden, the game dosen't have to be a copy of your oudated clucky game. So no it's not normal specially when the devs themself said before the game realease that no charachter would be missable and no ng+ is not a good option for those kind of things.

[valentino.lizal]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sigma:

Opprinnelig skrevet av valentino.lizal:

Did you play Suikoden games back then?
I remember Suikoden 1 also has cutoff time before final battle. (Gremio will stay dead if 108 star not collected)

During Suikoden II you have to recruit all 108 char or Nanami (the Hero's sister will stay dead)

IV to V also has this kind of things.

So looking at the records im not surprised if Eiyuden has that conditions.

Since back then RNG item to get a character is totally normal.

It seems like you missed the game title, it's called Eiyuden chronicle, not suikoden, the game dosen't have to be a copy of your oudated clucky game. So no it's not normal specially when the devs themself said before the game realease that no charachter would be missable and no ng+ is not a good option for those kind of things.

You are the one who failed to understand that the game is some kind of a spiritual successor or at least inspired by it. So its no surprise it have similar elements.

From combats, plots, runes, hundreds of characters. If one or two characters are missable its no longer a surprise for us who are long time fans of Murayama's work.

Btw i'm a backer so there is no need for you to tell me the game's title.

[Sigma]

Opprinnelig skrevet av valentino.lizal:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sigma:

It seems like you missed the game title, it's called Eiyuden chronicle, not suikoden, the game dosen't have to be a copy of your oudated clucky game. So no it's not normal specially when the devs themself said before the game realease that no charachter would be missable and no ng+ is not a good option for those kind of things.

You are the one who failed to understand that the game is some kind of a spiritual successor or at least inspired by it. So its no surprise it have similar elements.

From combats, plots, runes, hundreds of characters. If one or two characters are missable its no longer a surprise for us who are long time fans of Murayama's work.

Btw i'm a backer so there is no need for you to tell me the game's title.

And apparently you don't know how to read too.
The DEVS themself said there wouldn't be missable characters so there is no excuse to it, no matter if you are a backer or not.
Also like you said, "spiritual succesor" still doesn't have to be a copy or your clucky outdated game.
Also just so you know backing a game doesn't give you any form of authority or more credibility over anyone, i know it will hurt you weak fellings but you are no different than anyone else :)
Refrain to type when you don't even read thanks.

[valentino.lizal]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sigma:

Opprinnelig skrevet av valentino.lizal:

You are the one who failed to understand that the game is some kind of a spiritual successor or at least inspired by it. So its no surprise it have similar elements.

From combats, plots, runes, hundreds of characters. If one or two characters are missable its no longer a surprise for us who are long time fans of Murayama's work.

Btw i'm a backer so there is no need for you to tell me the game's title.

And apparently you don't know how to read too.
The DEVS themself said there wouldn't be missable characters so there is no excuse to it, no matter if you are a backer or not.
Also like you said, "spiritual succesor" still doesn't have to be a copy or your clucky outdated game.
Also just so you lnow backing a game doesn't give you any form of authority or more credibility over anyone, i know it will hurt you weak fellings but you are no defferent than anyone else :)
Refrain to type when you don't even read thanks.

LOL you are so funny, calling someone cannot read. In game is relatively easy to get all characters (unless you are very bad at finding them or encounter the lam bug which has been patched)

I still dont get why u getting pissed about some missable characters. Its just one anw (atm, dunno if they patch it in future)

Dont worry, even if u insult me u cant hurt my feelings lol. I dont even know you XD

Its just that i found ur logic funny. No matter what devs said it can be different than the reality. Like it or not there is a missable character and thats a fact.

Ah yes, sorry if i offended you and prolly my post offends you even further. XD

[Do It For Hargon]

a dev is not obligated to hold your hand and casually lead you through every achievement of the game and take penalties or story beats away at your leisure. there are mechanics in place to show you where recruits are and that is enough. if you need a more casual handhold-y experience, 90's jrpgs in general probably aren't for you. i'm sorry if that's blunt, but skill issues aren't a valid criticism.

[tizonsuzon]

Someone use the cheat table on fearlessrevolution.com to get over this issue. It has an option that will add an additional character to the alliance when you are gaining one. As long as you have a save where you can recruit one more character before this "Final Battle", you can fix it.

[Jason Eroge]

They should have more missable characters, games too easy. pluss its more funny to see people rage

[Melodia]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Do It For Hargon:

a dev is not obligated to hold your hand and casually lead you through every achievement of the game and take penalties or story beats away at your leisure. there are mechanics in place to show you where recruits are and that is enough. if you need a more casual handhold-y experience, 90's jrpgs in general probably aren't for you. i'm sorry if that's blunt, but skill issues aren't a valid criticism.

On the other hand, when the dev specifically says there's nothing, that even Muruyama himself was concerned about.....yeah it's something to complain about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/1c5xgd7/eiyuden_chronicle_ama_hello_the_rabbit_bear/kzxhs0h/

Now it's /possible/ something was lost in translation, but the question was extremely specific, and answered with an incorrect answer.

[nat_himself]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Jason Eroge:

They should have more missable characters, games too easy. pluss its more funny to see people rage

The only correct response lol. Characters should straight up die when you ♥♥♥♥ up too. feels like there are zero stakes compared to the earlier entries.

[Melodia]

Opprinnelig skrevet av nat_himself:

Characters should straight up die when you ♥♥♥♥ up too. feels like there are zero stakes compared to the earlier entries.

I don't play video games to have my progress ♥♥♥♥ on.

[ace-mos]

agreed its just poor design that you can miss characters

and the dev flat out stated there would not be any missable characters