Rare shop items

[Julius Skeezer]

So this mechanic is cancer by nature. It aggressively and maliciously wastes your time for no good reason, but setting that aside, I think the Eltisweisse shop is actually bugged.

I've been able to save scum for the items in most shops fairly easily, but at this shop in particular, I've spent 5 or 6 half hour sessions re-loading and running to the shop and having neither (there are at least 2) of the rare items show.

Considering one round of this takes ~20 seconds, that's 90-ish attempts before I give up because I'm having violent intrusive thoughts about the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ system, and I've done that 5 or 6 times.

Who thought this idea was good?
Who thought the rates for items to appear were acceptable?
Is this bugged, or am I just incredibly unlucky?

And yes, I made sure I saved before I talked to the shopkeep every time.

Good god, I absolutely dread having to do this in Ardinale due to how far the item shop is out of the way of everything.

[Janicorn]

Same for me.. Can't build the theatre.. aweful game design choices here

[The_Box]

Nguyên văn bởi Julius Skeezer:

So this mechanic is cancer by nature. It aggressively and maliciously wastes your time for no good reason, but setting that aside, I think the Eltisweisse shop is actually bugged.

I've been able to save scum for the items in most shops fairly easily, but at this shop in particular, I've spent 5 or 6 half hour sessions re-loading and running to the shop and having neither (there are at least 2) of the rare items show.

Considering one round of this takes ~20 seconds, that's 90-ish attempts before I give up because I'm having violent intrusive thoughts about the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ system, and I've done that 5 or 6 times.

Who thought this idea was good?
Who thought the rates for items to appear were acceptable?
Is this bugged, or am I just incredibly unlucky?

And yes, I made sure I saved before I talked to the shopkeep every time.

Good god, I absolutely dread having to do this in Ardinale due to how far the item shop is out of the way of everything.

If I'm not mistaken, the script will only show up in Eltiswiess towards the end of the game, after... Well, I don't really want to drop spoilers, so I'll just say 'a major event involving the town'. You'll know it when you know it.

[tizonsuzon]

I agree that my time is precious and not worth it to waste with this effort.

I use the table here which provides an option to make Rare Items Always appear, but as the previous poster mentioned, I don't think it's available near beginning of game as the Eltisweiss shop doesn't show anything for me currently, but other shops do like the one in the first town for Herb Chicken Recipe.

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28724

[Janicorn]

Nguyên văn bởi tizonsuzon:

I agree that my time is precious and not worth it to waste with this effort.

I use the table here which provides an option to make Rare Items Always appear, but as the previous poster mentioned, I don't think it's available near beginning of game as the Eltisweiss shop doesn't show anything for me currently, but other shops do like the one in the first town for Herb Chicken Recipe.

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28724

The requested topic does not exist.

[Julius Skeezer]

Nguyên văn bởi The_Box:

Nguyên văn bởi Julius Skeezer:

So this mechanic is cancer by nature. It aggressively and maliciously wastes your time for no good reason, but setting that aside, I think the Eltisweisse shop is actually bugged.

I've been able to save scum for the items in most shops fairly easily, but at this shop in particular, I've spent 5 or 6 half hour sessions re-loading and running to the shop and having neither (there are at least 2) of the rare items show.

Considering one round of this takes ~20 seconds, that's 90-ish attempts before I give up because I'm having violent intrusive thoughts about the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ system, and I've done that 5 or 6 times.

Who thought this idea was good?
Who thought the rates for items to appear were acceptable?
Is this bugged, or am I just incredibly unlucky?

And yes, I made sure I saved before I talked to the shopkeep every time.

Good god, I absolutely dread having to do this in Ardinale due to how far the item shop is out of the way of everything.

If I'm not mistaken, the script will only show up in Eltiswiess towards the end of the game, after... Well, I don't really want to drop spoilers, so I'll just say 'a major event involving the town'. You'll know it when you know it.

Well, that would have been nice to know. Thank you though, you probably saved me another hour or so of pointlessly trying this shop from time to time until that story point.

I still really wish they'd implemented a much better system for this though. I'm not against the idea of shops having rare items if done in a way that isn't incredibly wasteful of time and effort, but before I found out you could save scum them, I'd seen 3 in the course of 50 hours.

[The_Box]

Yeah, no argument there. That implementation ain't great. The CE script someone else mentioned to force rare items to show in shops seems the good way to go, personally. Maybe we'll get a mod sooner or later that does it without needing a third party app.

Or, ideally, a patch that just does away with items only showing in shops based on an RNG roll, though that seems less likely given that it was a design decision to do it to begin with.

[tizonsuzon]

Nguyên văn bởi Janicorn:

Nguyên văn bởi tizonsuzon:

I agree that my time is precious and not worth it to waste with this effort.

I use the table here which provides an option to make Rare Items Always appear, but as the previous poster mentioned, I don't think it's available near beginning of game as the Eltisweiss shop doesn't show anything for me currently, but other shops do like the one in the first town for Herb Chicken Recipe.

https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28724

The requested topic does not exist.

For some reason Steam messed up the url when clicking it. Remove the & and just leave it a & and it should work

[archilock]

It's one of the many incomprehensible pure time-wasting mechanics in the game... It's even worse in the snow city where you have to cross the whole map.

[Kegfarms]

Nguyên văn bởi archilock:

It's one of the many incomprehensible pure time-wasting mechanics in the game... It's even worse in the snow city where you have to cross the whole map.

Yeah I timed that one on my phone. Took about 30 seconds with Aire.

[Darkhaq]

Nguyên văn bởi The_Box:

Nguyên văn bởi Julius Skeezer:

So this mechanic is cancer by nature. It aggressively and maliciously wastes your time for no good reason, but setting that aside, I think the Eltisweisse shop is actually bugged.

I've been able to save scum for the items in most shops fairly easily, but at this shop in particular, I've spent 5 or 6 half hour sessions re-loading and running to the shop and having neither (there are at least 2) of the rare items show.

Considering one round of this takes ~20 seconds, that's 90-ish attempts before I give up because I'm having violent intrusive thoughts about the whole ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ system, and I've done that 5 or 6 times.

Who thought this idea was good?
Who thought the rates for items to appear were acceptable?
Is this bugged, or am I just incredibly unlucky?

And yes, I made sure I saved before I talked to the shopkeep every time.

Good god, I absolutely dread having to do this in Ardinale due to how far the item shop is out of the way of everything.

If I'm not mistaken, the script will only show up in Eltiswiess towards the end of the game, after... Well, I don't really want to drop spoilers, so I'll just say 'a major event involving the town'. You'll know it when you know it.

The problem with that, is I'm literally at the point before "storming the final castle" and the end of the game. And I've both Savescummed and simply waited out the 30 minute resets for literal days and Eltisweiss still has NEVER had the rare script. I'm talking hours upon hours of attempts as I would would like to complete the castle 100% before completing the game. The rare item shop rate is simply BAD. I've spent nearly as much time trying to find those final 3 scripts as I have in straight gameplay.

[The_Box]

Nguyên văn bởi Darkhaq:

Nguyên văn bởi The_Box:

If I'm not mistaken, the script will only show up in Eltiswiess towards the end of the game, after... Well, I don't really want to drop spoilers, so I'll just say 'a major event involving the town'. You'll know it when you know it.

The problem with that, is I'm literally at the point before "storming the final castle" and the end of the game. And I've both Savescummed and simply waited out the 30 minute resets for literal days and Eltisweiss still has NEVER had the rare script. I'm talking hours upon hours of attempts as I would would like to complete the castle 100% before completing the game. The rare item shop rate is simply BAD. I've spent nearly as much time trying to find those final 3 scripts as I have in straight gameplay.

Yeah, at that point I'd just say screw it and use the cheat engine script to make rare items always show. It's definitely one of the more questionable design choices.