Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

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Vim Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:14pm
Question about difficulty/armor/HP
So, I've not gotten too far into the game yet, but I am exploring a dungeon around level 22-24. I have the best equipment money can buy and because I feel it is the spirit of the game, I am enjoying using many different kinds of characters... however, I am -really- struggling, because the non-main characters are just so weak... their HP is low, their armour, even with best equipment isn't high enough, and all fights hit like a truck, and not just the front line either...

Sure, I could bring only the best people, and probably breeze through it, but I feel like that's not really in the spirit of things... I find that after each fight, I have to spend far more money on healing items than I make fighting, and it's hard to bring enough healing supplies into a drawn out dungeon like the one I'm faced with now.

I'm curious how you guys are handling this? Are you just using the most powerful characters? I'm missing a way to somehow make people attack my characters that have the armour and health to tank it...
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JimmyTheSaint™ Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:24pm 
Many of the characters suck in the early-mid game but improve dramatically at higher levels when their stats really take off.
For now to compensate, Im keeping a good healer in the party at all times to minimize some of the heavy hits the enemies dish out. I generally find the characters with shields help with some of that damage deflection. For a healer Im usually rolling Falward or Gieran. Then Yusuke and Nowa on the front line, then just fill the rest out with whomever I want to level up.
Vim Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:27pm 
Forgive me, but what do you mean by healer? Someone with a high speed stat that can distribute the money-intensive items, or someone with water runes that can distribute the low-level healing magics for MP? Or is there some healing out there I haven't found yet that can heal for SP? (With the exception of Francesca/Falward combo, which is too high in SP cost to see much use.)
JimmyTheSaint™ Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:32pm 
Originally posted by Vim:
Forgive me, but what do you mean by healer? Someone with a high speed stat that can distribute the money-intensive items, or someone with water runes that can distribute the low-level healing magics for MP? Or is there some healing out there I haven't found yet that can heal for SP? (With the exception of Francesca/Falward combo, which is too high in SP cost to see much use.)

My bad, water/light rune is mostly what I use for healing, but Falward has a high speed stat and usually gets his turn before most enemies. Keeping Lian is also not a bad idea due to her high speed for popping healing items. Money becomes pretty easy to get once you get the ability to fast travel, so dont fret spending money on healing items. Really either way is valid for early-mid game.
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iameatingjam Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:33pm 
While yes lots of enemies hit real hard, and yes I need to bring a lot of healing items with me, I still end up making money every mission.

Are you playing on hard? I'm playing on medium, that could be it.

Oh um, one thing you could do to save money if you aren't doing it already is... buy both the regular herbs and the quality herbs. Regular herbs have the best bang for buck, they will become irrelevant later but not yet. Then the quality herbs come in handy when you get to the boss battles when a regular herb aint cutting it.

Also, if you're caring around a bunch of extra stuff in your inventory, go store it at your base that way you have more flexibility to take more cheaper herbs instead of less more expensive herbs, if that makes sense.

Don't forget to use them outside of battle so it doesn't take up a turn you could otherwise have been dealing damage.

Sorry wish I could be more helpful. Money hasn't seemed to be a problem really.
JimmyTheSaint™ Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:39pm 
Originally posted by iameatingjam:
While yes lots of enemies hit real hard, and yes I need to bring a lot of healing items with me, I still end up making money every mission.

Are you playing on hard? I'm playing on medium, that could be it.

Oh um, one thing you could do to save money if you aren't doing it already is... buy both the regular herbs and the quality herbs. Regular herbs have the best bang for buck, they will become irrelevant later but not yet. Then the quality herbs come in handy when you get to the boss battles when a regular herb aint cutting it.

Also, if you're caring around a bunch of extra stuff in your inventory, go store it at your base that way you have more flexibility to take more cheaper herbs instead of less more expensive herbs, if that makes sense.

Don't forget to use them outside of battle so it doesn't take up a turn you could otherwise have been dealing damage.

Sorry wish I could be more helpful. Money hasn't seemed to be a problem really.

Good point about the herbs. I also carry at least a dozen of regular and quality at all times, more if im going into a new area. Pop the regular between battles and save the quality ones for emergencies if I can.
Vim Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:49pm 
Yeah I have both normal herbs for between-battle healing, and quality for in-battle healing. I'm still kicking myself that I only bought 5 healing incense from Hiro, since i haven't found anyone else who sells them yet.

I am in a situation now where I can't go back to base, so I'm essentially -stuck- here until I complete the objective, so I'm kind of forced now to use the best characters, to minimize my expenses.

I love the three attendant slots, since it allows me to put "forced" cahracters in them so I can still get creative with my teams, but yeah, it's epxnsive to be creative, and I'm a bit tired of Nowa-Garr-Lian. :) I'm not even using Nowa in my lineups.
if you wanna fool around with another character make sure someone with high speed have water rune for healing purpose. and if you battle too much that it's use up your item too fast try power leveling on battle hill or just flee the unnecessary battle (there is nothing wrong with fleeing from the enemy)
iameatingjam Apr 28, 2024 @ 7:58pm 
Originally posted by Vim:
Yeah I have both normal herbs for between-battle healing, and quality for in-battle healing. I'm still kicking myself that I only bought 5 healing incense from Hiro, since i haven't found anyone else who sells them yet.

I am in a situation now where I can't go back to base, so I'm essentially -stuck- here until I complete the objective, so I'm kind of forced now to use the best characters, to minimize my expenses.

I love the three attendant slots, since it allows me to put "forced" cahracters in them so I can still get creative with my teams, but yeah, it's epxnsive to be creative, and I'm a bit tired of Nowa-Garr-Lian. :) I'm not even using Nowa in my lineups.

Btw, you will eventually getting things like fast travel and and items stores at your base and more and more tools to help make things more convenient. I guess it would be fair to say difficulty is somewhat front loaded here.

If you're level 24ish... I'm guessing you have your castle, but not yet at Hishan? In that case, expect fast travel soon.

And another btw, if you didn't know, you can go from your castle back to hiro through the well in the graveyard, and you can recruit him to come to castle. You might already know that, but I didn't until after I had fast travel... and that would have really helped me through the points between getting the castle and arriving at treefolk village.
Vim Apr 28, 2024 @ 8:03pm 
Originally posted by iameatingjam:
If you're level 24ish... I'm guessing you have your castle, but not yet at Hishan? In that case, expect fast travel soon.

And another btw, if you didn't know, you can go from your castle back to hiro through the well in the graveyard, and you can recruit him to come to castle. You might already know that, but I didn't until after I had fast travel... and that would have really helped me through the points between getting the castle and arriving at treefolk village.

I'm trying to avoid using names as markers, both to save others from spoilers, and also myself from future spoilers. Yes, I have a base, but no fast travel yet. Once I got my base the first thing I did was go see if I could find Hiro to buy more incense, but he wouldn't sell to me. Sure, he would join me, but I don't have an item shop for him, so he's just standing around not being a shopkeeper :p
iameatingjam Apr 28, 2024 @ 8:14pm 
I'm sorry I thought I was being... limited enough to not be spoilery.

Anyway is something stopping you from building the item shop? Only need 600 headquarters funds and its pretty far down the tree. But like I said I didn't get him til later so perhaps there's another necessary trigger or something I'm unaware of.
(deleted) Apr 28, 2024 @ 8:52pm 
Originally posted by Vim:
So, I've not gotten too far into the game yet, but I am exploring a dungeon around level 22-24. I have the best equipment money can buy and because I feel it is the spirit of the game, I am enjoying using many different kinds of characters... however, I am -really- struggling, because the non-main characters are just so weak... their HP is low, their armour, even with best equipment isn't high enough, and all fights hit like a truck, and not just the front line either...

Sure, I could bring only the best people, and probably breeze through it, but I feel like that's not really in the spirit of things... I find that after each fight, I have to spend far more money on healing items than I make fighting, and it's hard to bring enough healing supplies into a drawn out dungeon like the one I'm faced with now.

I'm curious how you guys are handling this? Are you just using the most powerful characters? I'm missing a way to somehow make people attack my characters that have the armour and health to tank it...
I am playing Hard mode, it restrict me from healing so I am not sure how much curative you need for a normal run. Overall my recommendation is to thin numbers with high AGI characters that has exceptional firepower.

Lian is fast but too squishy, Mio damage is even lower than Lian if she doesn't crit and just as squishy, protagonist have well rounded stats but doesn't stand out until he gets his hero partner spam, Garr is tanky but too slow forcing you to trade hit wit trash mobs. Gigina/ Francesca DEX is lower than Yusuke, expect to miss alot of normal attacks. Francesca worst problem is her HP is too low, not until you get accessory to add 100HP to her health pool but again accuracy is still a problem. Kallanthor every single stat is lower than everyone.

Yusuke has the highest firepower and you will have easier time building your team towards one-shot kills. Iugo is tanky and does same damage than anyone above only restriction is you do not use him to counter because it has probability, replace rune slot with another technique when it gets available. Kuruto is the character that powercreep Mio/ Lian, all his stats are higher except for DEX slightly lower than Mio. Mellore have more survivability than Lian and Mio, you don't have other options until you get both Zabi and Kogen.

Out of those that I mentioned, Yusuke/ Iugo/ Protagonist are the only 3 I can recommend to use through the entirety of the game, including in Hero trial. Powercreep is present in this game, you will see it when you level everyone to the same level and start comparing stats and weapon upgrade growth.
Like this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3233323595

Example of characters that are potentially good before the partner spam era:
1) High AGI, you do not trade hit with trash mobs, you try to thin their numbers before they hit you.
2) High weapon upgrade growth when enhanced (some of them +1 /+2 per level, the better ones are those with +4/+5) Just take note the next time you mass upgrade everyone's weapon.
3) Correct stats for normal attack (you check the icon for the weapon if it is elemental like Mellore she scales with MAG because her normal attacks are light element. Franscesca normal attack is smash physical attribute which scales with STR but her higher stats is MAG, it is a mismatch)
4) After you filter out those with wrong stats, pick the ones with highest STR/ MAG. If all of them have around same STR/MAG then pick the ones with higher DEF/ RES.
5) There is stat check for DEX which is accuracy of normal attacks. You use characters that have higher DEX than Yusuke who sometimes misses, so if you have someone lower DEX expect to miss alot. Yusuke is a character based on charging 1-2x then spamming his technique in the next turn, techniques do not miss. The only time you don't care about DEX is when you are using a mage that is built to spam only spells and no normal attacks.

The spell rune useful for the part you are at is water, light and fire rune.
Fire rune to buff Yusuke on the turn he is going to attack. Since it lasts 3 turns, after Yusuke does his 1st technique, you charge the next turn and land another technique after that so both times he uses technique the damage is buffed. I equipped Kuruto with fire rune so that he will always buff Yusuke before he attacks. When Kuruto isn't buffing, he is just chilling with normal attacks which have decent crit rate.
Water and light are for healing. Dark rune is used to cheese damage over time, provided enemy is not immune to it, use for fight with turn limit.

Lastly, do not forget to use Zabi and Kogen when you get them. Good luck.
Another gentleman mentioned Falward, he is good throughout the entirety of the game even without his partner.
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It´sAllAimAssist Apr 28, 2024 @ 9:23pm 
Playing on hard, lvl 43 so a lot further in that op was at time of posting.
And I just used the chars I wanted without concern for stats. So all waifu lineup apart from Nowah.

Yes many of the chars will go down in 1-2 hits esp in boss fights which can have AOE´s on top of that.
I don´t remember having much trouble other than having to replay a couple of boss fights after having adjusted my party.
Basically Franchesca and another party member always had water runes on and was MP healing batteries. Well load as many chars as can have them with water runes for heals as damage magic mostly garbage anyway in the beginning. Not worth spending MP on.
Well maybe rock sling to break shields a times.

Just made sure to whatever chars I was using , always had max upgraded weapons.
now a lot further in I´ve switched up my lineup just because some of the combo skills are fun to look at.

Franchesca got benched because her HP is really bad ,for some reason so she kept getting one shotted by a side quest boss where a 10 level lower char water rune carry replacement didn´t.

But apart from Fran I´m still just using w/e chars I think are cool.
Steam rolling anything but bosses mostly, and some bosses. (edit by steam rolling I don´t mean I think the game is to easy, it´s just about right so far on hardest for me, have to put a bit of thought into things, keep on top of gear and upgrades but not frustrating, I really enjoy the combat)
(sorry for bad spelling and grammar, I´m tired and english is not my native language)
Last edited by It´sAllAimAssist; Apr 28, 2024 @ 9:29pm
iameatingjam Apr 29, 2024 @ 12:06am 
Just thought of something else that will soon become helpful for you. And sorry I'll be less specific this time.

There is character you are already familiar with, that will join the alliance, and goes into the support slot and doubles your gold drops from monsters. That should help with the herb affordability thing. And that should come not too long after fast travel, assuming you're following the story.
Last edited by iameatingjam; Apr 29, 2024 @ 12:13am
Vim Apr 29, 2024 @ 12:43am 
Originally posted by iameatingjam:
Just thought of something else that will soon become helpful for you. And sorry I'll be less specific this time.

There is character you are already familiar with, that will join the alliance, and goes into the support slot and doubles your gold drops from monsters. That should help with the herb affordability thing. And that should come not too long after fast travel, assuming you're following the story.

That should certainly be helpful! <3 Is it that certain someone from Rising? If not don't say anymore! :D
Brynub Apr 30, 2024 @ 2:21pm 
enemies do a LOT of damage in the early-mid to mid-game, just always make sure to have a fast character with a Water Rune, and a bunch of healing items. I ate SO MANY healing items in the mid game until I finally hit a snowball point and started trouncing enemies without needing to heal as much. but, even late game I still have at least one fast unit with a Water Rune juuuuust in case.
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