How did a Suikoden Celebration JRPG attract so much right wing "anti-woke" nonsense?

[Atomic Udon]

I imagine there's probably some youtube content creators pushing all this stuff into people's faces and convincing them to be triggered to high heaven. But ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I came in here wanting to check out thougts on the game, and instead there's people rambling about Golem gender lines and panic/conspiratorial thinking regarding DEI/Sweet Baby Inc., etc.

What the hell is going on? Has the JRPG sub-culture become this rabid anti-woke zombie horde, or is this just a steam forums thing?

[Thelegendaryhunter]

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In lieu of the other legitimate concerns about the localization that aren't based on politics, that's all this silly little circus is boiling down to, right? A mountain for two lines of molehill?

That is why most, me included, never argued politics in terms of localisation. And there is a new thread solely dedicated to list localisation inaccuracies, without any political bickering.

Both sides of the extreme hyper-focused on it, to derail the whole thing. Even when you disregard the disengenous nature of the localiser (shifting responsibility by admitting he didn't check the localisation, when they outsourced), you are left with a lot of examples that are less than satisfactory.

even better it distracting from the other problems this game has like pacing issues, i feel like no one is talking about the game expect for the localization and thats on both sides

[tankanidis]

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That is why most, me included, never argued politics in terms of localisation. And there is a new thread solely dedicated to list localisation inaccuracies, without any political bickering.

Both sides of the extreme hyper-focused on it, to derail the whole thing. Even when you disregard the disengenous nature of the localiser (shifting responsibility by admitting he didn't check the localisation, when they outsourced), you are left with a lot of examples that are less than satisfactory.

even better it distracting from the other problems this game has like pacing issues, i feel like no one is talking about the game expect for the localization and thats on both sides

If there's a giant hole in the wall, and a small crack near the bottom, you think people have time to talk about the crack when 6 people from resetera are trying to tell you that:

1) there's no hole in the wall
and
2) it's not a hole, it's actually a window and you should be grateful it exists

Both, at the same time.

If we can't even agree on what the facts are, conversations go nowhere due to political activism trying to blindly astroturf and deny clear and easy to demonstrate facts

So yeah we never got to the pacing of the game, because 6 people from resetera made sure to hold hostage the other 170+ people who just wanted to be heard that the English localisation needs fixing. The localisers openly admit publicly they did not check the work before submission. This means it needs to be fixed like any other issue

[Melodia]

Why do you keep bringing up Resetera?

[ShinRaPresident]

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DEI is not bad....

Not even a little bit... People against DEI are scared their gonna take all their jobs and representation from them , and they will no longer be part of the equation, which is also not true.

The world is a changing and they don't want to get on board the diversity train and adapt to the new world. They still matter but they want to be the only ones that matter and now that they are not, it scares them.

You were saying this in another thread as well. That certain people are mad they are no longer catered to and no longer the teacher's pet.

Who are ''these people''? Please, be specific.

What group of people are you talking about?

[ace-mos]

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those hiring quotas exist because there are still plenty of bigots in power who wont hire minorities unless forced to

and and why is representation in video games bad

also no one is forcing developers to put minorities in video games they do it because its what the creators want

Hiring quotas are inherently discriminatory.

Forced representation of any kind, because it is expected of investors, for example, stifles creativity. You'll end up with homogeneous sludge, because everything ends up "diverse" eventually. To drive the point home, imagine everything you consume has the exact and same ratio of races and sexes. Wouldn't that be... boring?

They are not forced, but they are coerced if they receive funding from investors that adhere to ESG (which are a lot; one of the major player being BlackRock and we know they own a lot of assets and fund a lot and in various industries).
They then hire consultancies, such as Sweet Baby Inc., to make sure that they meet certain "quotas" for their product.
Are you telling me all this is voluntary and creative? Especially with quotes, such as "terrify them" into compliance, if they don't do what they say.
The higher your ESG score, the more funding you can receive. It's an incentive outside the consumer base (which means selling items doesn't matter in the end).

Edit: Besides, you asked how. And now you admitted they do.

give examples of creators being forced to add minorities

[UltimateTobi]

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give examples of creators being forced to add minorities

You already admitted to the fact by telling me how good it is that they do, indeed, practice DEI, which is incentivized through ESG funding (coercion).

Alan Wake 2 (black female protag. used to be a white female).
The remakes of FF7 (homogeneous Native American town being race-swapped to majority black. Not the only place it happens to too. Ironically erasing a minority for another).
Dragon's Dogma 2 (a European-inspired medieval fantasy world with plenty of black people).
Mass Effect 3 (the inclusion of Steve, most likely a reaction to gaming journalism back then, a lack of minorities AND sexual orientations; a black gay man. To add to that, making Ashley Williams and Kaiden Alenko retroactively bisexual).
God of War: Ragnarok (black God in a Northern-based mythology).

[ace-mos]

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give examples of creators being forced to add minorities

You already admitted to the fact by telling me how good it is that they do, indeed, practice DEI, which is incentivized through ESG funding (coercion).

Alan Wake 2 (black female protag. used to be a white female).
The remakes of FF7 (homogeneous Native American town being race-swapped to majority black. Not the only place it happens to too. Ironically erasing a minority for another).
Dragon's Dogma 2 (a European-inspired medieval fantasy world with plenty of black people).
Mass Effect 3 (the inclusion of Steve, most likely a reaction to gaming journalism back then, a lack of minorities AND sexual orientations; a black gay man. To add to that, making Ashley Williams and Kaiden Alenko retroactively bisexual).
God of War: Ragnarok (black God in a Northern-based mythology).

uh no one forced any one to do any of those

those where all choices the creators made

[ShinRaPresident]

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I don't see a problem with Diversity in Video Games,

The question you should be asking yourself is why does it bother you so much?

So are you just going to avoid naming this group of people you say the entire world catered to and are just mad they are no longer teacher's pet?

[ace-mos]

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I don't see a problem with Diversity in Video Games,

The question you should be asking yourself is why does it bother you so much?

So are you just going to avoid naming this group of people you say the entire world catered to and are just mad they are no longer teacher's pet?

cis het white men

they are the ones who think they are suddenly oppressed because media has other protagonists now

[LoafEye]

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give examples of creators being forced to add minorities

You already admitted to the fact by telling me how good it is that they do, indeed, practice DEI, which is incentivized through ESG funding (coercion).

Alan Wake 2 (black female protag. used to be a white female).
The remakes of FF7 (homogeneous Native American town being race-swapped to majority black.

Saga Anderson was written as a mixed white/black woman before SBI involvement. Her race isn't called into question during the story, so I don't see how this matters either way. Inb4 Malla Malmivaara, of course, 'cause that was in 2016 and she wasn't going to do the game either way.
And for FF7..are you talking about Cosmo Canyon? I'm going to assume you're talking about the character you meet at the stables, because the actual village isn't "majority black." But also if you went through and tallied up "the races" for this very bold claim then I have to assume you have some underlying issues with yourself.

[tankanidis]

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So are you just going to avoid naming this group of people you say the entire world catered to and are just mad they are no longer teacher's pet?

cis het white men

they are the ones who think they are suddenly oppressed because media has other protagonists now

"CIS" is a slur.

Twitter even says so

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You already admitted to the fact by telling me how good it is that they do, indeed, practice DEI, which is incentivized through ESG funding (coercion).

Alan Wake 2 (black female protag. used to be a white female).
The remakes of FF7 (homogeneous Native American town being race-swapped to majority black.

Saga Anderson was written as a mixed white/black woman before SBI involvement.

Saga Anderson is the definition of a race swap, since she was a white Norwegian woman before SBI involvement and was even in-game already as a fleshed out character.

SweetBabyInc does the Cartman from Disney treatment to its characters each and every single time

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/06/14/alan-wake-ii-race-swaps-saga-anderson-replaces-original-actress-malla-malmivaara-with-the-idol-actress-melanie-liburd/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/474960/discussions/0/3805026824442583142/

They did the same thing to Shadow Gambit: The Cursed Crew, in which their external fees where so high they bankrupted the company just for the sake of hiring them

https://thatparkplace.com/sweet-baby-inc-reveals-dev-team-behind-shadow-gambit-the-cursed-crew-shut-down-costs-were-exceeding-revenues/

Compulsion game's Contraband already had a pre-existing White female lead character with red hair and freckles, that after SweetBabyInc involvement was changed to modern 2024 Black from USA with a very stereotypical depiction that does not fit the time period/narrative of the game

https://x.com/Grummz/status/1773388588308455886

https://x.com/Grummz/status/1773389330452730257

It's amazing that the same people that call out Barrett for being a stereotype, cheer on these race swaps as being anything other then a paint job and a pat on the back

There's no real lived experience or authenticity to these character changes, and people can easily see the pandering and fakeness associated with it and naturally the game sells poorly because people want to play a game, not be preached to by real world political activists


If you want a Black character in a video game, make them a real character with a real story and lived experience. Don't just pick a random other character and paint over them and think you've somehow added diversity to a game. You have not

And every time a game suffers from such a poorly converted consulted work such as above, another story remains never to be taken from the writing board of a real story that could have received the funding to become a real game/story.

We still havn't seen a story about the Nerubian Empire that ruled Egypt before the Pharoahs, or Shaka Zulu's rise and fall.

Authentic experiences that could be made, but instead we have this lowest effort 'i clicked a box in paint 3D' 'consultancy' work and somehow everyone should clap for that??

[Dodon]

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"CIS" is a slur.

Twitter even says so

No, Elon Musk says so, and we don't even respect him enough to call his website by the name he wants it called by.

[Melodia]

"CIS is a slur."

Now I've heard everything.

Seriously. I have now heard every last thing, ever, because nothing, EVER, can top such a ridiculous statement such as that as to be considered even remotely new.

[ace-mos]

cis is not a slur in any shape or form imusk just calls it a slur do to his own transphobia

[LoafEye]

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Saga Anderson was written as a mixed white/black woman before SBI involvement. Her race isn't called into question during the story, so I don't see how this matters either way. Inb4 Malla Malmivaara, of course, 'cause that was in 2016 and she wasn't going to do the game either way.

I filled in what you cut out, since you have a habit of doing that.

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Saga Anderson is the definition of a race swap, since she was a white Norwegian woman before SBI involvement and was even in-game already as a fleshed out character.

Malla is Finnish, firstly. She was a placeholder in 2016 in Quantum Break and didn't even speak. This short video predates any ties to Control-Alan Wake.

Sam Lake himself chose to make Saga a mixed white/black lady. SBI was hired to look over the script very late in production. This is said by Sam Lake himself in a video on the Remedy YouTube page.

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Irrelevant word vomit

Literally none of this pertains to what I said, but you just haaaave to flood the board with nonsense in hopes I don't actually read it.

Not that my response matters. You won't respond to it because, again, as always, you're so irrefutably wrong that your best course of action is to ignore it.