Are game sales low? It's already being sold at a 10% discount (Edit: Realized it is only the bundle version that have discount)

[[BRE] Ralf]

I can see the game is being sold at a 10% discount less than a week after its launch

[Aicus]

Yes, the game sales is actually low.

Even with a head start of 46k Kickstarter backers, number of concurrent player on Steam don't even broke 8k.

[[BRE] Ralf]

Originally posted by SinsOfHistory:

There is no discount on this game.

The only discount is the bundle discount.
It has been there from the start.

Yes, you are right, my mistake.

[iameatingjam]

Originally posted by SinsOfHistory:

Originally posted by Aicus:

Yes, the game sales is actually low.

Even with a head start of 46k Kickstarter backers, number of concurrent player on Steam don't even broke 8k.

1. Not everyone plays at the same time.
2. A lot of the backers still havent even received their game due to a shipping issue.


I see this is the new riot of the day you guys have decided to go with though.

Well not only that but... its an offline game. Some people play offline. You can put up a firewall so steam doesn't know. You could have bought it on GOG, or Epic. You could have bought it on console. And concurrent players don't really matter as much for an offline game as much as sales, which we don't know.

Review amount can be a very rough proxy for steam only sales, as for what % of people who buy it leave a review, we don't really know, but I've heard 3% kicked around before... However it could be 10% or even more, who knows?

However, I've been trying to get people to play Monochrome Mobius for two years because I think its a great jrpg. And in 4 days this game already has twice as many reviews as that game (last time I checked it was (600 vs 1090) and thats (18 months vs 4 days).

Sandland released 2 days ago and it only has 150 reviews, and thats from Bandai Namco with probably a much bigger budget.

So yeah, lil premature to say is a failure.

I wonder if all the outrage actually helped sales. Like that saying 'all publicity is good publicity' maybe, idk.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originally posted by iameatingjam:

Originally posted by SinsOfHistory:

1. Not everyone plays at the same time.
2. A lot of the backers still havent even received their game due to a shipping issue.


I see this is the new riot of the day you guys have decided to go with though.

Well not only that but... its an offline game. Some people play offline. You can put up a firewall so steam doesn't know. You could have bought it on GOG, or Epic. You could have bought it on console. And concurrent players don't really matter as much for an offline game as much as sales, which we don't know.

Review amount can be a very rough proxy for steam only sales, as for what % of people who buy it leave a review, we don't really know, but I've heard 3% kicked around before... However it could be 10% or even more, who knows?

However, I've been trying to get people to play Monochrome Mobius for two years because I think its a great jrpg. And in 4 days this game already has twice as many reviews as that game (last time I checked it was (600 vs 1090) and thats (18 months vs 4 days).

Sandland released 2 days ago and it only has 150 reviews, and thats from Bandai Namco with probably a much bigger budget.

So yeah, lil premature to say is a failure.

I wonder if all the outrage actually helped sales. Like that saying 'all publicity is good publicity' maybe, idk.

JRPG's like these cater to a niche crowd to begin with.

[pmemer]

Nah. While sales aren't as high as they could be and are definitely being hurt by low review scores, the game is still doing well. Most of the development costs were funded by kickstarter, and they confirmed a sequel before the first game even launched so clearly there were enough pre orders. Player counts also look good for a niche game thats a spiritual successor to another niche series.

The controversy definitely lost them sales as low review scores keep potential new players away, but I doubt it's hurt them to the point where they've noticed.

[NHZ]

We have the 1st games.

We wont be busying this, until its fixed.

We wont buy a buggy, season pass, EULA, trash..... thats also voiced by undesiralbe losers.

We will not listen fat, blue haired, c....

Fix or no $$$

[Xaito]

Numbers look low to me.

Originally posted by pmemer:

Nah. While sales aren't as high as they could be and are definitely being hurt by low review scores, the game is still doing well. Most of the development costs were funded by kickstarter, and they confirmed a sequel before the first game even launched so clearly there were enough pre orders. Player counts also look good for a niche game thats a spiritual successor to another niche series.

The controversy definitely lost them sales as low review scores keep potential new players away, but I doubt it's hurt them to the point where they've noticed.

I really doubt that kickstarter funding even comes close to cover the development. Kickstarter is usually just a means to measure audience interest to prove to investors that the investment is worthwhile. The investors splurge the real money for development. And that is not even considering that the game took longer than expected.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by BRE Ralf:

I can see the game is being sold at a 10% discount less than a week after its launch

Outside of the original Backers, the game has extremely low sales for what should be an easy 'win' due to 1 glaringly obvious reason

The English localisation was sabotaged by rogue English localisers, who took such liberties in changing character personalities, using unprofessional lines and insults and even so far as to inject their own personal bias in USA political insults towards others that none of the above existed in the original Japanese source material

Fans of Suikoden who already backed the game want to fix this bug/issue and have requested for a second English Subtitle that is more accurate to the Japanese source material be released to address this

In the meantime they are working on translation mods to 'fix' the issue via modding, but this only works for those who already bought the game on PC

There's 1000's of people who -want- to buy the game but cannot as it currently is due to the current English localisation that is not fit for purpose

Once this issue is fixed, sales will greatly improve

There's a reason this game made it onto the DEI detected website, the localisation is the sole reason for this. One this issue is fixed it can be taken off that website

I will direct you to notice that most of the people who are religiously defending the current English Localisation and insulting everyone who asks for more accuracy in every single thread, do not actually own the game (and most are using low level/0 accounts to stalk and harass/insult anyone who wants a more accurate localisation in every single thread they can find them in, including the fan modding threads)

Even though they say how great it is, they do not use their money to buy the game.

They are here for the political views of the English localiser, not the health of the Japanese developed game itself

They are just here because another forum told them to come here to defend one of the localisers who frequents the other forum (ResetEra)

So real fans are locked out of buying it and awaiting a fix, fake fans are report spamming the forums to attack anyone who asks for it, regardless of where in the world you are posting from or what your background is (usual tactic is to call you an ist/phobe/insult or mention some culture 'war' stuff)

And the Japanese Developers lose out on sales due to it

The game sells at full price, with a high price for the 'deluxe' version

There's no room for unprofessional English localisation with political insults in a full priced kickstarter backed game

People rightfully are avoiding this until this gets fixed

If it doesn't there won't be a sequel

Now before the defenders say 'actually the sequel is already confirmed!!'

https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1c4iuig/eiyuden_chronicle_hundred_heroes_post_your_ama/

"Question: Might there be a sequel if there's enough interest in the title? "
"Dev Response: Absolutely!
That is the aim we are working towards.
We hope many players support this game. "

"Question: What's next for Rabbit & Bear? With the unfortunate passing of Murayama-san, are plans for a potential sequel to EC up in the air (provided that the sales are well above or within expectations)?
"Dev Response: Absolutely!
We are moving forward with a sequel.
It is very sad that Murayama is not with us anymore, but we have discussed many things with him.
I hope we will be able to carry on Murayama's legacy, and I always want to treasure his last work.
I hope many people will support this game. "

They want to create a sequel and have every intention to, assuming sales meets the criteria needed to achieve it

So the sales being lost are directly affecting the Japanese Developers ability to create a sequel they want to create

As someone who has played Suikoden since the first title back on PSX and still has the original physical copy of it, i am really saddened that this took place and tarnished the spiritual successor of the Suikoden series

They spent years pouring their hearts and souls into working on a spiritual successor to Suikoden, only to have it sabotaged through rogue unprofessional localisation

I hope it gets fixed and that they make as much money as they can from sales and get the sequel

I hope any sequel does not have the English Localisation issues that this one had and can be free to achieve its full potential

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by SinsOfHistory:

it's a niche Franchise of a niche genre.

Sales were never gonna be as high as something like Harry Potter or a Star Wars game.

The people claiming they will not give them any money due to the localization probably wont even make a dent in the sales,

so whether or not they proceed with a sequel , will have nothing to do with the people mad over the localization refusing to give them money.

That being said, I am quite positively confident sales will be high enough for them to go on with a sequel.

Only time will tell for sure. None of us can predict the future.

'Niche game'

"people who won't buy the game due to localisation who are asking for localisation fix probably wont even make a dent in the sales"

Pick one.

Either you sell so much that having more people come in if you made 1 simple change wouldn't affect your sales

Or you're a 'niche' title in which case EVERY sale matters and having way more people who are buying your game after a simple bug fix makes extreme sense

[xHans]

I have 548 games on my account, mainly of the JRPG/VN category. Eiyuden chronicle won't be one of them until the localization gets fixed and tbf a 10% discount is standard when a game releases new.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by tankanidis:

Originally posted by BRE Ralf:

I can see the game is being sold at a 10% discount less than a week after its launch

Outside of the original Backers, the game has extremely low sales for what should be an easy 'win' due to 1 glaringly obvious reason

The English localisation was sabotaged by rogue English localisers, who took such liberties in changing character personalities, using unprofessional lines and insults and even so far as to inject their own personal bias in USA political insults towards others that none of the above existed in the original Japanese source material

Fans of Suikoden who already backed the game want to fix this bug/issue and have requested for a second English Subtitle that is more accurate to the Japanese source material be released to address this

In the meantime they are working on translation mods to 'fix' the issue via modding, but this only works for those who already bought the game on PC

There's 1000's of people who -want- to buy the game but cannot as it currently is due to the current English localisation that is not fit for purpose

Once this issue is fixed, sales will greatly improve

There's a reason this game made it onto the DEI detected website, the localisation is the sole reason for this. One this issue is fixed it can be taken off that website

I will direct you to notice that most of the people who are religiously defending the current English Localisation and insulting everyone who asks for more accuracy in every single thread, do not actually own the game (and most are using low level/0 accounts to stalk and harass/insult anyone who wants a more accurate localisation in every single thread they can find them in, including the fan modding threads)

Even though they say how great it is, they do not use their money to buy the game.

They are here for the political views of the English localiser, not the health of the Japanese developed game itself

They are just here because another forum told them to come here to defend one of the localisers who frequents the other forum (ResetEra)

So real fans are locked out of buying it and awaiting a fix, fake fans are report spamming the forums to attack anyone who asks for it, regardless of where in the world you are posting from or what your background is (usual tactic is to call you an ist/phobe/insult or mention some culture 'war' stuff)

And the Japanese Developers lose out on sales due to it

The game sells at full price, with a high price for the 'deluxe' version

There's no room for unprofessional English localisation with political insults in a full priced kickstarter backed game

People rightfully are avoiding this until this gets fixed

If it doesn't there won't be a sequel

Now before the defenders say 'actually the sequel is already confirmed!!'

https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1c4iuig/eiyuden_chronicle_hundred_heroes_post_your_ama/

"Question: Might there be a sequel if there's enough interest in the title? "
"Dev Response: Absolutely!
That is the aim we are working towards.
We hope many players support this game. "

"Question: What's next for Rabbit & Bear? With the unfortunate passing of Murayama-san, are plans for a potential sequel to EC up in the air (provided that the sales are well above or within expectations)?
"Dev Response: Absolutely!
We are moving forward with a sequel.
It is very sad that Murayama is not with us anymore, but we have discussed many things with him.
I hope we will be able to carry on Murayama's legacy, and I always want to treasure his last work.
I hope many people will support this game. "

They want to create a sequel and have every intention to, assuming sales meets the criteria needed to achieve it

So the sales being lost are directly affecting the Japanese Developers ability to create a sequel they want to create

As someone who has played Suikoden since the first title back on PSX and still has the original physical copy of it, i am really saddened that this took place and tarnished the spiritual successor of the Suikoden series

They spent years pouring their hearts and souls into working on a spiritual successor to Suikoden, only to have it sabotaged through rogue unprofessional localisation

I hope it gets fixed and that they make as much money as they can from sales and get the sequel

I hope any sequel does not have the English Localisation issues that this one had and can be free to achieve its full potential

The key thing is there is lost sales due to localization choice. It should be obvious to everyone really. Unnecessary lost sales. And we know why that is.

It's not about whether it is successful or profitable, it is the existence of lost sales due to controversial localization choice.

Suikoden was great, but ultimately at the end of the day, consumers have freedom whether they want to support this game or any game. And everybody should be able to vote for their wallet to say NO to things they don't want and buy games that they actually want.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

Originally posted by tankanidis:

I hope it gets fixed and that they make as much money as they can from sales and get the sequel

I hope any sequel does not have the English Localisation issues that this one had and can be free to achieve its full potential

The key thing is there is lost sales due to localization choice. It should be obvious to everyone really. Unnecessary lost sales. And we know why that is.

It's not about whether it is successful or profitable, it is the existence of lost sales due to controversial localization choice.

Yeah the choice is easily clear

Fix the English localisation English Script and improve sales / customer goodwill

Script should've never been messed with to this extent to begin with

[Zephyr Workshop]

lol i leave for days and tankidlili and the pork guy are still here, complaining about an issue that no one cares about. the controversy is over, everyone has moved on. The localization is fine for everyone who's actually playing the game. I doubt the game lost more than a couple hundred sales at absolute worst because of the kabrutus outrage meme factory, and even that sounds high.

Originally posted by Aicus:

Yes, the game sales is actually low.

Even with a head start of 46k Kickstarter backers, number of concurrent player on Steam don't even broke 8k.

tbh i wouldn't doubt it if only 8k or fewer people got it for PC on the Kickstarter. I myself can't picture playing JRPGs on PC, they've always been a "console thing"

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by Zephyr Workshop:

lol i leave for days and tankidlili and the pork guy are still here, complaining about an issue that no one cares about. the controversy is over, everyone has moved on. The localization is fine for everyone who's actually playing the game. I doubt the game lost more than a couple hundred sales at absolute worst because of the kabrutus outrage meme factory, and even that sounds high.

Originally posted by Aicus:

Yes, the game sales is actually low.

Even with a head start of 46k Kickstarter backers, number of concurrent player on Steam don't even broke 8k.

tbh i wouldn't doubt it if only 8k or fewer people got it for PC on the Kickstarter. I myself can't picture playing JRPGs on PC, they've always been a "console thing"

Imagine losing sales for nothing and you're defending decisions to lose sales. What kind of logic is that.

[LoafEye]

Originally posted by Aicus:

Yes, the game sales is actually low.

Even with a head start of 46k Kickstarter backers, number of concurrent player on Steam don't even broke 8k.

There are also people playing on console, like myself. The Steam numbers aren’t indicative of good or bad sales due to it being available on all platforms.