Another one bites the dust (Eiyuden Discord Server)

[Silly]

Hi guys,
I just wanted to provide another example of the community managers banning people for the simplest things, in my case it was a simple question about official feedback channels so that we can provide direct feedback to the developers.

I asked this question[ibb.co] roughly half an hour[ibb.co] ago in the Japanese general discussion channel.
Went AFK to clean my apartment a bit, only to find the server removed from my server list.
As I tried to rejoin, I get this unfortunate message[ibb.co].

I'm sure everyone has their own opinion on the whole discussion around this game's localisation, but if anyone still has doubts about the localisers' and community managers' preferred way of handling dissent, you need to finally remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine.

[hydlided]

Silly の投稿を引用：

Hi guys,
I just wanted to provide another example of the community managers banning people for the simplest things, in my case it was a simple question about official feedback channels so that we can provide direct feedback to the developers.

I asked this question[ibb.co] roughly half an hour[ibb.co] ago in the Japanese general discussion channel.
Went AFK to clean my apartment a bit, only to find the server removed from my server list.
As I tried to rejoin, I get this unfortunate message[ibb.co].

I'm sure everyone has their own opinion on the whole discussion around this game's localisation, but if anyone still has doubts about the localisers' and community managers' preferred way of handling dissent, you need to finally remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine.

opinion and localization and discord... well, there you go. You can removed from my board of collectives.

[Leckaine]

Halko の投稿を引用：

Wow its almost like the giant rule they put up telling people not to constantly post comments about the translation means you get banned if you post about the translation. And before we get a thousand word post about how its wrong all you have to do is be in this forum for longer than 10 seconds to see why banning discussion of the translation is the *only* way to actually discuss the game. Otherwise you will just the get the same 10 people drowning out any and all other conversation.

So like...thought crime?

[Yale]

Dog-faced Americans ruining another game.

[Zandakar]

So basically you knowing you would get banned for going to harass them about the translation went on to get banned for it and now you're acting shocked.

ImmortalTechnique の投稿を引用：

Is only ok when leftists complain about something (Stellar Blade, Hogwarts, etc) but when the other side does it then you're suddenly a bigot or 'you people are crybabies, snowflakes'.
We just want authenticity and that the source material is respected. Developer intention is sacred.

Are you saying you think those people shouldn't get banned? Because I know a ton of people were getting banned for the Hogwarts harassment campaign on various platforms when it came out. People shouldn't be forced to deal with ignorant hate regardless of where you think it's coming from.

I'm tired of every big release having over the top negative reactions for no reason. Why can't people just grow up and stop acting like toddlers who are unable to understand their actions have consequences?

[Sayo]

Please read the rules of any discord server you join.

[Raelic]

SinsOfHistory の投稿を引用：

Leckaine の投稿を引用：

So like...thought crime?

no... you're not banned for thinking it.. youre banned for expressing something that is against the rules, because surprise surprise, if it wasnt, you complainers would be spamming that board like you do this board non stop and no actual constructive discussion on the game itself would take place.

there are 1000 other things to talk about the game... not being allowed to talk about the localization in a negative manner is not thought crime... you can think it all you want..

I counted two nights ago. Most of the topics were people saying "Localization isn't that bad."

So which is it that should get banned? Because the more disruptive if going by your bar is the group saying the localization isn't that bad.

And, also, Complaining shouldn't be against the rules at all.

It's very telling that instead of acknowledging the complaints, they instead create a rule to ban the complaints.

[tankanidis]

Zandakar の投稿を引用：

So basically you knowing you would get banned for going to harass them about the translation went on to get banned for it and now you're acting shocked.

ImmortalTechnique の投稿を引用：

Is only ok when leftists complain about something (Stellar Blade, Hogwarts, etc) but when the other side does it then you're suddenly a bigot or 'you people are crybabies, snowflakes'.
We just want authenticity and that the source material is respected. Developer intention is sacred.

Are you saying you think those people shouldn't get banned? Because I know a ton of people were getting banned for the Hogwarts harassment campaign on various platforms when it came out. People shouldn't be forced to deal with ignorant hate regardless of where you think it's coming from.

I'm tired of every big release having over the top negative reactions for no reason. Why can't people just grow up and stop acting like toddlers who are unable to understand their actions have consequences?

Not the same thing

Customers and prospective Customers are asking about the unprofessional English localisation and if there are any plans by the Developers/Publishers to fix the issue

That's not a hate raid, that's a legitimate question for potential buyers and dissatisfied customers

You ban them you are just losing sales or future return sales (no sequel purchases if it does get made due to negative experience handled in this one)

Hogwarts was people who never had any intention of buying the game, telling others that they could not play the game either and weren't allowed to play it because playing a video game was causing real world harm according to their political world view

They did not just want to boycott JK Rowling, they wanted to punish anyone who played the game (streamer harassment by even putting up a website to show which streamer was streaming the game to harass them and chase them off the internet)

It was a minority of people, and it caused Hogwarts to sell even more games as people don't like being told what they are allowed to buy or play with their own money

Future customers and real current customers asking for bug/issue fixes vs militant zealots demanding no-one else is allowed to buy or play the game or suffer their punishment

These are not the same

[ImmortalTechnique]

Zandakar の投稿を引用：

So basically you knowing you would get banned for going to harass them about the translation went on to get banned for it and now you're acting shocked.

ImmortalTechnique の投稿を引用：

Is only ok when leftists complain about something (Stellar Blade, Hogwarts, etc) but when the other side does it then you're suddenly a bigot or 'you people are crybabies, snowflakes'.
We just want authenticity and that the source material is respected. Developer intention is sacred.

Are you saying you think those people shouldn't get banned? Because I know a ton of people were getting banned for the Hogwarts harassment campaign on various platforms when it came out. People shouldn't be forced to deal with ignorant hate regardless of where you think it's coming from.

I'm tired of every big release having over the top negative reactions for no reason. Why can't people just grow up and stop acting like toddlers who are unable to understand their actions have consequences?

In the Hogwarts case: getting banned from what? Steam forums? LMAO
Sit down, and let me remind you what leftists were doing during the Hogwarts 'drama'. I dont know what happened on the Steam forums back then (meaningless text anyway), but I know what happened on twitch and IRL. Leftists organized and led harassment campaigns on Twitch, trying to get people banned, have sponsors pulled and issuing death threats, because playing Hogwarts = trans genocide to these defected beings.
At least the 'right wingers' here in the Eiyuden forums and Twitch havent issued any death threats or organized harassment campaigns for people who enjoy the game for what it is.
Constructive criticism to these people equates with harassment.

[Raelic]

I was there for the Hogwarts stuff too. They were quite literally raiding even small streamers. Twitch would announce the raids. They would group up in one streamer, raid a player playing the game, put them on a website, and then regroup and repeat.

And on Steam, I also talked at them like I'm doing here and I never got banned. Steam was doing the moderation on that board. And it was pretty fair IMO.

You can probably still see my Hogwarts posts in my post profile. *goes to check.*

[BloodyPork]

Raelic の投稿を引用：

SinsOfHistory の投稿を引用：

no... you're not banned for thinking it.. youre banned for expressing something that is against the rules, because surprise surprise, if it wasnt, you complainers would be spamming that board like you do this board non stop and no actual constructive discussion on the game itself would take place.

there are 1000 other things to talk about the game... not being allowed to talk about the localization in a negative manner is not thought crime... you can think it all you want..

I counted two nights ago. Most of the topics were people saying "Localization isn't that bad."

So which is it that should get banned? Because the more disruptive if going by your bar is the group saying the localization isn't that bad.

And, also, Complaining shouldn't be against the rules at all.

It's very telling that instead of acknowledging the complaints, they instead create a rule to ban the complaints.

Let me guess, you would never get banned on that discord if you complained about the right-wing chuds instead.

That should explain everything.

Raelic の投稿を引用：

I was there for the Hogwarts stuff too. They were quite literally raiding even small streamers. Twitch would announce the raids. They would group up in one streamer, raid a player playing the game, put them on a website, and then regroup and repeat.

And on Steam, I also talked at them like I'm doing here and I never got banned. Steam was doing the moderation on that board. And it was pretty fair IMO.

You can probably still see my Hogwarts posts in my post profile. *goes to check.*

Those people can get away with anything because if you criticize their action you are a phobic and voila you're the one banned instead.

[Raelic]

BloodyPork の投稿を引用：

Raelic の投稿を引用：

I counted two nights ago. Most of the topics were people saying "Localization isn't that bad."

So which is it that should get banned? Because the more disruptive if going by your bar is the group saying the localization isn't that bad.

And, also, Complaining shouldn't be against the rules at all.

It's very telling that instead of acknowledging the complaints, they instead create a rule to ban the complaints.

Let me guess, you would never get banned on that discord if you complained about the right-wing chuds instead.

That should explain everything.

Nah, they just don't have anything to complain about so they think it's an even ground thing.

Complaining for change is an uphill battle and they're at the top of the hill. As complainers come up and are getting banned they're just able to chuck rubbish down without consequence and act like it's fair.

And companies hide behind "It's our house" rule so they can be little dictatorships.

But, while it's possible for them to do so, it doesn't mean it's good for their customer base.

I used to shout from the rooftops about Suikoden and getting a remake/remaster/reboot. On a lot of forums. For decades.

You think I'll ever be shouting from the rooftops about Eiyuden Chronicles?

[Cyiel]

Harrasment is never a good thing whatever the intent behind it. OP was banned for a good reason. Period.

[Neozoon]

Cyiel の投稿を引用：

Harrasment is never a good thing whatever the intent behind it. OP was banned for a good reason. Period.

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[SeraphLance]

Cyiel の投稿を引用：

Harrasment is never a good thing whatever the intent behind it. OP was banned for a good reason. Period.

Provided the OP was honest about his message, this does not constitute harrassment by any reasonable metric. It's not like he's asking for individual developers' personal emails.

[Cairn.L]

SeraphLance の投稿を引用：

Cyiel の投稿を引用：

Harrasment is never a good thing whatever the intent behind it. OP was banned for a good reason. Period.

Provided the OP was honest about his message, this does not constitute harrassment by any reasonable metric. It's not like he's asking for individual developers' personal emails.

Unless OP provides a full (or recent) chat history, otherwise no one really knows the real reason why he actually got banned.