Mages are shi#e Tier, am I correct?

[Schutzengel]

Soo ... mages cost a finite resource and do less damage than fighters. while being insta-killed by mobs since they all seem to target (and are able to target) the back row.

There is even an option to double MP costs, I guess this one makes mages shi#e Tier 2.

By the way Lian is shi#e Tier too since she has mage stats but without magic.

The guy who did the balancing should be fired.

No, seriously, if a game ejects the half of characters that does the cool-to-look-at spells and leaves you with autoattack peons only then it isnt a game.

By the way which idiot did the 2x MP cost option? I want to applaud him for making the games worst problem worse. As an OPTION! LOL!

[Overeagerdragon]

Are we playing the same game?

Mages can do the same and more damage than fighters and against multiple enemies at the same time. The fact they're bound by MP makes them not crazy overpowered by the time you get the 2-star elemental runes. Even at low tier a well placed spell can SIGNIFICANTLY make fights easier if not outright trivial

As for Lian; she's been in my party from the start and hasn't left... her basic damage ignores armor AND has a good chance to stun an enemy whereas her SP-attacks ignore defense on TOP of bypassing armor and hit like a truck whilst ALSO being fast as hell on the ATB bar. She also has decent defense stats and HP

EDIT: And that's not even mentioning her hero-attack with Nowa can deal some SERIOUS damage

[Raelic]

It's very similar to Suikoden.

[aeternox]

have you recruited Momo? just add Conflagration Rune to him and done

[Drusain]

I wouldn't recommend using the checkmarked options from Hard mode in your first playthrough, like the extra cost on MP. Especially for the removing gaining money from battles. Those are really options that you choose after you know the game.

Some spells are better than others, yeah. Utility spells seem more effective than damaging spells.

[Drusain]

Originally posted by Overeagerdragon:

Mages can do the same and more damage than fighters and against multiple enemies at the same time. The fact they're bound by MP makes them not crazy overpowered by the time you get the 2-star elemental runes. Even at low tier a well placed spell can SIGNIFICANTLY make fights easier if not outright trivial

That's true too, I haven't tried out the level 2 runes yet, I'm only just starting to get them.

[Kain]

I have Lian as F tier

Reason: She sounds a few decibels higher than everyone else on JP. I love the attendant system for that reason and always shelve her if she's mandatory.

[Hybernian]

What bummer. I waited for this game for a while cause Melridge got my attention in one of the videos, but if this is true, then this is a hard pass

[Blackdark]

1. Get Isha
2. Game beats itself now

[Elnidfse]

Originally posted by Raelic:

It's very similar to Suikoden.

I don't know about that. Suikoden 2's magic was pretty decent and Suikoden 3's magic was great. Getting those true Runes? Absolutely amazing.
...Provided you can avoid friendly fire.

[Raelic]

Originally posted by Elnidfse:

Originally posted by Raelic:

It's very similar to Suikoden.

I don't know about that. Suikoden 2's magic was pretty decent and Suikoden 3's magic was great. Getting those true Runes? Absolutely amazing.
...Provided you can avoid friendly fire.

Those are end game besides the MC/Friend

The normal runes were all pretty under-powered usually. Especially compared to Unite Attacks. And when you get Kai so early and can kill an entire group... It just got ridiculous.

I rarely used the runes anyways in Suikoden 1 and 2.

[ri[N]amon.]

Heal doesn't scale from magic stats (40 and 80 HP heal from magic where it same with lv1 healing herb and less than lv2 healing herb).

Physical can crit which nets you better damage output in the end. not much different between magic damage and physical attack (There might select few enemy that has low MDEF with high DEF but so far I haven't really found it). at least Suikoden has a good magic scaling on early and mid game.

The good thing about magic so far it can deal some AoE damage (some physical rune and combo can do that too), and some non-scaling magic like buffs is kinda useful I guess? (non-scaling means no different if low or high magic unit use it, so again make magician actually looks bad).

[MahouKurein]

Mages scales pretty well late game but they're basically useless early on, the team already said they're looking at the overall balance of the game so hopefully different stuff will be addressed soon!

Have you noticed how single target Unite Attacks are incredibly weak and underwhelming? Most is better to just use basic attacks of same heroes instead.

I have my finger crossed for future patches and their balance adjustments.

[treahnurb]

I use Melridge and Gieran (my peps are between level 40 and 44). Gieran with Stone and Current rune atm, Melridge with Inferno. Melridge has good SP use too, so he's not "useless" outside of Magic and Gieran can converse MP super well and is quite tanky (able to use shield etc). I like both and they feel very useful.

[Brynub]

mages get MUCH better later in the game. Isha and Momo alone can destroy any battle lategame, even the Endless Hero Trials. Momo has slightly better rune slots than Isha but both are very fast with very high Magic and will trivialize the game for you. Momo in particular has the slots to equip both the Mage's Pinnacle AND Mage's Path runes, meaning double magic stat + a buffed state when placed in the back row for even MORE damage. Isha can only equip one or the other, but still does very well.

[Brynub]

also Inferno Pillar is disgustingly strong, so as soon as you get tier 2 Fire Runes (iirc they're called Inferno Runes) to access that spell, slap it on your mages and let 'em rip. the tier 3 fire rune, Conflagration, is even better, since the final spell hits about as hard as Inferno Pillar, but in an AOE instead of single-target, AND it has a faster cast speed.