Struggle To Win First Duel

[NatePrawdzik]

EDIT: One of the replies solved this for me (see thread below if you also want the win).

I can't beat the first duel despite being level 20 with the best of all gear options. I'm so exhausted from there being no save point so I have to do the entire army fight just to retry the duel. This is sucking my will to continue playing away into nothing, despite having sunk 26 hours into the game already.

[Zerorage]

I dont think you can win it? all duals are story set. you cant fail.

So all you need to do is keep using the normal skill till the breakpoint skill active and keep spamming it.

You can't "lose" a duel. Its part of the story.

[iameatingjam]

With seign at the bridge? You do not have to win to progress the story. I at first assumed it was impossible to win but apparently it can be done.

[The_Box]

Originally posted by NatePrawdzik:

I can't beat the first duel despite being level 20 with the best of all gear options. I'm so exhausted from there being no save point so I have to do the entire army fight just to retry the duel. This is sucking my will to continue playing away into nothing. Despite having sunk 26 hours into the game already, I'm seriously considering quitting. Anyone have any advice on how to win?

You don't have to win, and winning doesn't really effect the story, you just get some different dialog.

[Zerorage]

Originally posted by The_Box:

Originally posted by NatePrawdzik:

I can't beat the first duel despite being level 20 with the best of all gear options. I'm so exhausted from there being no save point so I have to do the entire army fight just to retry the duel. This is sucking my will to continue playing away into nothing. Despite having sunk 26 hours into the game already, I'm seriously considering quitting. Anyone have any advice on how to win?

You don't have to win, and winning doesn't really effect the story, you just get some different dialog.

You can win it? You can't damage him pass the breakpoint. And when you use breakpoint skill...it advance the story and 2 breakpoint finish the duel...how can you defeat him?

[Arcane Reality]

Originally posted by Zerorage:

Originally posted by The_Box:

You don't have to win, and winning doesn't really effect the story, you just get some different dialog.

You can win it? You can't damage him pass the breakpoint. And when you use breakpoint skill...it advance the story and 2 breakpoint finish the duel...how can you defeat him?

When you're reach stage 4 of the duel (when they jumped on the bridge again) you need just 2 times counter and then break and there's light chance that you win this. This duel is scripted and to win you need atack or counter depending on their phrases and even if you do everything right u can loose it.

[Duradan]

Originally posted by Zerorage:

I dont think you can win it? all duals are story set. you cant fail.

So all you need to do is keep using the normal skill till the breakpoint skill active and keep spamming it.

You can't "lose" a duel. Its part of the story.

Just Seigns duel is unfail-able, The other duels you can fail and have to redo

[DarkWingDragon]

Originally posted by NatePrawdzik:

I can't beat the first duel despite being level 20 with the best of all gear options. I'm so exhausted from there being no save point so I have to do the entire army fight just to retry the duel. This is sucking my will to continue playing away into nothing. Despite having sunk 26 hours into the game already, I'm seriously considering quitting. Anyone have any advice on how to win?

You can win the 1st duel I made a Video on YouTube showing how here's the link to my video https://youtu.be/hz48lvNGEP4?si=nq1oHKl6EV8VGPq9 I posted in the description in video explaining how to beat Seign

[Vim]

You can win it, but it's entirely optional to do so.
Go to Kyshiri village, remove everyone except Nowa from your party and fight outside of town. You should easily get to level 22, but if you want to feel less at the risk of RNG, level to 24 for better results. Make sure you equip a rune of HP, and have the best gear and weapon available.

The rest is about execution, not missing any of the Duel prompts. That part takes some figuring out, or just look up a guide for the correct answers.

[The_Box]

Is it just me or does it seem kind of weird that, despite the duels having their own unique HP meters without numbers, and these breakpoint things and weird rock-paper-scissors sort of mechanics, they still rely really strongly on your character's actual level and equipment?

I feel they'd have been better executed if they were completely divorced from actual stats.

[Vim]

Originally posted by The_Box:

Is it just me or does it seem kind of weird that, despite the duels having their own unique HP meters without numbers, and these breakpoint things and weird rock-paper-scissors sort of mechanics, they still rely really strongly on your character's actual level and equipment?

I feel they'd have been better executed if they were completely divorced from actual stats.

Perhaps, but then they would also be foregone conclusions, and it'd be more like a QTE.

[Raelic]

This game has NG+. I think either you know the most optimal way of winning it or you just do it on NG+.

A lot of the game feels superficial. Like no matter what you do, it's basically going to happen the way it happens.

Especially like the major war battles and duels.

[The_Box]

Originally posted by Raelic:

This game has NG+. I think either you know the most optimal way of winning it or you just do it on NG+.

A lot of the game feels superficial. Like no matter what you do, it's basically going to happen the way it happens.

Especially like the major war battles and duels.

God, the war battles... I got through the first two and, at the end, realized that the stakes were false the entire time. It didn't even matter if I 'lost', the conditions for victory or loss didn't matter, the same thing happens either way.

[NatePrawdzik]

OK, looks like I didn't grind high enough - I thought 20 was going to do it but apparently I've got to get back in there. Will do; thanks for the video and advice everyone.

Originally posted by DarkWingDragon:

Originally posted by NatePrawdzik:

I can't beat the first duel despite being level 20 with the best of all gear options. I'm so exhausted from there being no save point so I have to do the entire army fight just to retry the duel. This is sucking my will to continue playing away into nothing. Despite having sunk 26 hours into the game already, I'm seriously considering quitting. Anyone have any advice on how to win?

You can win the 1st duel I made a Video on YouTube showing how here's the link to my video https://youtu.be/hz48lvNGEP4?si=nq1oHKl6EV8VGPq9 I posted in the description in video explaining how to beat Seign

[Koryiaki]

Originally posted by NatePrawdzik:

I can't beat the first duel despite being level 20 with the best of all gear options. I'm so exhausted from there being no save point so I have to do the entire army fight just to retry the duel. This is sucking my will to continue playing away into nothing. Despite having sunk 26 hours into the game already, I'm seriously considering quitting. Anyone have any advice on how to win?

You can win if you grind to like 25+ 1 exp point at a time, or get insanely lucky with 15% chance. It is set up in such a way the game expects you to accept it as a predetermined loss (because it is for 99% of people) but then on newgame+ you will have a pleasant surprise when you beat it due to being way higher level. My advice is to try and focus your energy on playing the game in ways that you enjoy rather than ways that seem to make you miserable.

[Marcus Butthurticus]

The duel system is pretty horrible in this game. Not sure why they did just not copy it from Suikoden when they taken all other things.