So I really wanted to be excited about this game... buut...

[T]

I hate Kawano Junko's character designs.

She had very very little involvement in Suikoden II and V, the two best Suikoden games.

On the other hand she was producer for the two worst, IV and Tactics.

What makes you think Eiyuden will be any better than Suikoden IV? Most Suikoden fans totally ignore IV like it didn't even exist.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Origineel geplaatst door Tyvolus:

Origineel geplaatst door Desmond:

He didnt even get the theme and story of suikoden 3 so.... like common give him a break. you cant expect much from that

haha, ya clueless. I will cut him some slack!

We never discussed it, so how would you know if I "got" (LOL) a simplistic JRPG plot? I beat the game ONLY because it was Suikjoden, but in name only. Terrible game, and calling someone dumb because they don't like something you like is dumb. Two idiots in a pod, I guess.

[Bin 3rwah]

I dont know what u talking about ? suikoden 4 was the best ? you kidding right ?
son am hardcore jrpg player am almost 40 how dare u skip suikoden 1-2-3 ? they are the best and master piece of murayama before they ruin the game with the rest of trash they released my rank to suikoden is 1-2-3 the rest are garbage

[sWX]

Since we're all giving our opinion and showing Suikoden some love, I'll throw my hat in and say I loved 1, 2, 4 and Tactics. Never played the Gaidens but they look kinda neat.

1 was the original and did some cool things with the RPG formula, 2 improved on the gameplay a ton and still has great spritework and character art.

4 isn't too bad. The main thing I didn't like about it was the party size (but you get over it) and how tedious traversing the map was. Tactics was an interesting different take on the series and when looked at with 4 helps the story of both a bit.

3 I hated at release but I've eased up on it a bit. They tried some things that I don't think worked well, but props to them for experimenting. For me, 5 is hands-down the worst. Cheesy writing, awful camera and I disliked most of the main characters. But hey, to each their own.

[Brave Sir Robin]

Suikoden III was a terrible game but had some likeable characters. It did a few things right (introduced the skill system, and improved the War minigame), but it mostly deserves all the ♥♥♥♥ is gets. The 108 star bonus as the end was a great idea though, and more games should have an antagonist POV.

V is massively overrated simply because it was better than III and IV. It was way too long and full of filler, it was trying way too hard to copy Suikoden II, and there was a long battle loading time that probably added 5-6 hours onto the run time by itself. I feel like it gets a free pass by fans because it salvaged the franchise's reputation, rather than being truly good.

[BloodyPork]

Surprised so many people hate Suikoden 3. I really liked that game, the combat gameplay is absolutely my favorite out of all Suikoden games because it is the only one which isn't a cakewalk. Really liked the skill system and the war battles too, overall gameplay design wise it is actually my favorite. Chanting time and weapon swings are really great addition imo. Biggest flaw is that the game feels so damn short, most of the time spent is just walking back and forth, and story is meh. By the time the whole squad combines, there is very little of the game left. But the game design should really have stayed, I actually liked that it doesn't feel too easy.

Suikoden 5 is the best in terms of length, it is the only one which isn't super short for a jrpg, but difficulty wise is the worst, it is super cakewalk where most of the late game bosses can be killed in 1-2 turns before they even do anything. War battles are too easy, basically take 0 casualty all the time if you know what you're doing. I didn't play the PSP game because people were saying it is too easy, and boy I don't enjoy games where difficulty is absent.

Suikoden 2 got the best story. Overall it is the best suikoden (one of the thing that everyone agrees on. Suikoden 1 is kinda average honestly, it's just a decent short rpg.

Suikoden 4 is probably the least enjoyable overall. It has one of my favorite mini game (ritapon) second only to haiyo cooking, but other than that everything is weak, including the story. Hated the 4 party size (the worst part about it), hated how slow ship moves and frequent combat encounter on the sea. The characters aren't actually too bad though. Suikoden Tactics is honestly quite enjoyable, definitely underrated. I do really hate the S rank with rewards thingy though it makes the game more like a pain rather than relaxing like other Suikoden games.

I enjoyed Tierkreis more than S4 overall, but it's a DS game so graphics is a major weakness.

Overall for me I'd say S2 > S3 > S5 > S1 > Tierkreis > Tactics > S4

I don't think s4 is bad, I would replay it eventually (already played twice, blind and with a guide), and certainly since it is a Suikoden game I still enjoy it far more than almost all jrpg honestly. Even though I rate is lowest that is just among Suikoden games but if we're talking JRPG it is up there in the top percentile, certainly far better than all these so called "similar to Suikoden" crap that people recommends like Ni no Kuni games.

Don't understand the hate on Junko either, I love her character designs (I thought it's the game strong point) and the games she worked on is enjoyable for me.

[AshaMarie]

Suikoden 1 is a classic, but too easy and only one with limited rune slots and hoping the remaster fixes lot of the bugs and adds difficulty. It's my 3rd favorite; however, tied with suikoden 5 in some ways.

Suikoden 2 is usually everyone's favorite for a reason. Unfortunately, it too fell victim of being too easy, especially the Neclord fight. Favorite part about it was all the filler stuff it had and finding random rare stuff by inspecting random objects like flower plants and what not. I hated the RNG in the major battles which knocked some points off for me. It's my 2nd favorite.

Suikoden 3 took the route of making a challenging game when compared to first 2 entries. For once, it's possible to be killed very quickly if you don't invest into gear farming or paying attention to skill levels, especially when it came to runes. Favorite part was that you had to actually gear and level up several characters for the war battles as well as watching the rune animations in battle was quite eye candy. We get to fight Yuber in this one and he punishes unprepared parties and glad for it. I wish there were more war battles though. The partner system wasn't the best idea, but still better than 4th game's party limit. Another favorite part of mine was fighting the treasure bosses. Some actually put up a fight and this was how you can get some rare armor that was very rewarding. I love this part the most and wish the other games would include it instead of hoping for a rare drop. This is my 1st favorite.

Suikoden 4 is.... not that great, but not that bad either. It takes some patience and I mean it cause the random encounters while on ship was too damn high. You were limited to 4 party members and the major battles were the worst in the series. Didn't care for it at all. I found it very hard to want to replay this game at all. This is my least favorite, and if including Suikoden Tactics, ST was way better...

Suikoden Tactics does something completely different and since I am a big fan of Tactical games, I took it to heart and enjoyed it. I was rewarded with hero from 4th game by having the save file for it and I enjoyed him so much better in ST. ST plays so much different than the other games so it's hard to judge the game fairly. I rather not include it in favorite list, but I like it LOT more than the 4th game.

Finally Suikoden 5... This one surprised me and it's a really good game. I don't know if I like it more than Sukoden 1 or not. I felt the rune animations wasn't as awesome, but this game too has the issue of being too easy most of the time, especially if you use certain characters. This game gets bonus points since it has my favorite war system of the suikoden games. It didn't have as many fun things to do than the 2nd suikoden game so that's why it's slightly behind it in ranking. Also I enjoyed the animations and all better in 2nd game. Bonus to this game having very good voice actors though. They were good imo.

That's about my thoughts on it. I think Eiyuden will be 1000x better than suikoden 4 lol. I hoping it has challenges that 3rd suikoden did and a fun war system that can be better than 5th game even.

[BloodyPork]

Origineel geplaatst door AshaMarie:

Suikoden 3 took the route of making a challenging game when compared to first 2 entries. For once, it's possible to be killed very quickly if you don't invest into gear farming or paying attention to skill levels, especially when it came to runes. Favorite part was that you had to actually gear and level up several characters for the war battles as well as watching the rune animations in battle was quite eye candy. We get to fight Yuber in this one and he punishes unprepared parties and glad for it. I wish there were more war battles though. The partner system wasn't the best idea, but still better than 4th game's party limit. Another favorite part of mine was fighting the treasure bosses. Some actually put up a fight and this was how you can get some rare armor that was very rewarding. I love this part the most and wish the other games would include it instead of hoping for a rare drop. This is my 1st favorite.

Yes, exactly, Suikoden 3 has some elements that is the best in the series, the difficulty is the best, treasure bosses/mini bosses is the best. It would be perfect and the best Suikoden if it is at least as long as 5. I swear the game feels very short like it's over very soon once you the three path converge, like there's too little everything, too little war battles even though the war battles mechanic is the best imo, it's such a shame. And even though playtime can go up quite high, 80% of it is just walking back and forth in same areas. It's like the game has a very solid mechanic already but too little content.

Then you have the opposite S5 which has a lot of content.. but pretty much all the bosses can be killed in 1 turn before they get to do anything, so it's really disappointing in that aspect.

What I want is a Suikoden game that has a lot of content like s5 but difficulty/balancing of s3. I hope EIyuden is a long game like p5royal and not a short game like some of these suikoden games. Most importantly I want a significant content AFTER you recruit the last character, I really dislike how in some games, literally the last few characters can only be used in like 1-2 last story dungeon or so, like in s1 you recruit Sonya then you have like just the final boss left to beat or something like that. Suikoden also need the end game optional challenges, like how final fantasy did with their optional bosses and such that opens up in the last stretch of the game. S5 had eresh dungeon and that's basically it, with hellsteed boss that can be killed in 1 turn.

Idk who did the combat balancing in s3, but he did the best job out of everyone. Even early game challenge like trying to kill GrandHolly in early chapter 1 was hella fun, something that is missing from other suikoden where you just need to press auto. Though to be fair at least in s1, s2, s4, you don't auto bosses, s5 though, childerich, zahhak, alenia, etc dies to auto from richard touching them.

[arkisenn]

I personally love 4. The Rune of Punishment was a terrifying rune when you consider the fact that it killed every person that used it as it tried to reach for the protagonist. That isn't some fan theory, that rune attached itself to people who were either close to or in constant travel up until it finally attached to the hero and as we see in the true ending, he is the one person it hasn't killed despite having used it on a large scale multiple times. That said, its biggest failing for me was the World Map. I spent too much time fleeing battles because I was being attacked by under-leveled enemies.

3 for me was the weakest. I like it, but having 3 protagonists and multiple story lines to follow made things a little disjointed and frustrating as I would start to get into a character's story only for it to cut off and follow someone else.

That said I am a huge fan of 1 and 5. Never got the chance to play 2, so I'm eager for the remasters.

[Furry Wrecking Crew]

Origineel geplaatst door arkisenn:

I personally love 4. The Rune of Punishment was a terrifying rune when you consider the fact that it killed every person that used it as it tried to reach for the protagonist. That isn't some fan theory, that rune attached itself to people who were either close to or in constant travel up until it finally attached to the hero and as we see in the true ending, he is the one person it hasn't killed despite having used it on a large scale multiple times. That said, its biggest failing for me was the World Map. I spent too much time fleeing battles because I was being attacked by under-leveled enemies.

3 for me was the weakest. I like it, but having 3 protagonists and multiple story lines to follow made things a little disjointed and frustrating as I would start to get into a character's story only for it to cut off and follow someone else.

That said I am a huge fan of 1 and 5. Never got the chance to play 2, so I'm eager for the remasters.

This.

Also, you need to play 2!

[Shirokiba]

and here I am, someone who liked all 5 games. Guess I'm just one of the odd ones out.

[BloodyPork]

Origineel geplaatst door Shirokiba:

and here I am, someone who liked all 5 games. Guess I'm just one of the odd ones out.

I think some people like all of them, they just don't rate all of them equally.

[Horatio Hornbag]

I havent looked at any released character designs yet since id rather be surprised, but yes, if the character designer really blew it i'll be pretty pissed, and it would have to really make up for it in other departments. Like, Fire Emblem Engage just launched and i'm probably not getting it because of its awful character designs, and thats like my favorite series. 1 and 2 had good character designs, only a few good ones in the others, (3 and 4 are the worst though hands down) but I do think Tierkreis and that one for the psp that was japan only had really nice designs even for non mainline entries.

[Belmont]

Origineel geplaatst door RPG Historian:

Let's start an argument.

I am a huge Suikoden fan, and agree with you that II and V are the best.

However, IV is NOT the worst Suikoden. It is III. And Tactics is also way better than III. I actually loved IV, and the major complaint of the limited party, was WORSE in III because of the stupid formation where you had 3 pairs, not 6 individuals. It was actually more limited than IV in battle. Also, in III you had to backtrack over the SAME areas over and over, with no world map! It was atrocious game design.

It goes (best to worst): V, II, I, IV, III.

I have fond memories of Suikoden IV and Tactics, but III was just crap overall as a JRPG.

Suikoden III's metacritic score is an 86 with a user score of 8.8.

Suikoden IV's metacritic score is a 63 with a user score of 7.4.

Glad you liked IV better, but the general consensus disagrees with you there. Personally I thought III and IV were both trash, so I don't take either side in this. II and V were my favorites followed by I.

*Gasp* It's almost as if personal opinion is just that, personal opinion! What a novel concept.

[Baalf]

Origineel geplaatst door damag0r:

III hasn't aged well but it was better than IV which wasn't even a suikoden game imo.

But again this boils down to the character design. None of the characters seem anything but completely bland or just random animals like sharks.

BJ/CJ is a ripoff of Kid from Chrono Cross.

Edit: To be fair I never gave IV a real shot before dropping it, but Eiyuden just looks like a huge downgrade character wise to V.
I guess I just need to accept the fact Suikoden died after V.

"Just random animals like sharks"

I'm so sorry they couldn't all just be human or human-with-pointy-ears or human-with-cat-ears-and-a-tail or short-human or Human-with-insert-minor-alteration-here, etc. Honestly, the fact that there are anthros in this is refreshing after seeing so many games with rehashed human races that make even less sense, so I don't mind the anthros. Heck, I'm all for them, and hope there are more.

[BloodyPork]

Origineel geplaatst door greydays96:

I havent looked at any released character designs yet since id rather be surprised, but yes, if the character designer really blew it i'll be pretty pissed, and it would have to really make up for it in other departments. Like, Fire Emblem Engage just launched and i'm probably not getting it because of its awful character designs, and thats like my favorite series. 1 and 2 had good character designs, only a few good ones in the others, (3 and 4 are the worst though hands down) but I do think Tierkreis and that one for the psp that was japan only had really nice designs even for non mainline entries.

Junko Kawano (the character designer for Eiyuden) designed the characters for most Suikoden including 1 and 2 iirc. She also does the character redrawing for the Suiko remaster.