No option for DLSS 3 + other problems

[Megatherium]

I have a 4080 and a 5800x3d.
I am trying to optimize this game as I find the stutters to be distracting. When I run no dlss, no rtx, rest of the settings on high or epic, i get about 90 fps with 50% gpu usage. Dlss enabled doesn't improve fps at all. Turning RTX ON increases fps to about 120, increases gpu usage to around 80%, but the stutters to 6fps when entering a new room, shooting the gun, or turning rapidly persist.
My menu also has no option for dlss 3.
What is going on here?

[lukaself]

That about sums up my experience. Check around: the port has been outsourced and the devs apparently aren't answering requests for additional fixes. Not much you can do on your end, unfortunately.

As for the lack of DLSS 3, maybe I'm stating the obvious but are your drivers up to date?

[Megatherium]

Originally posted by lukaself:

That about sums up my experience. Check around: the port has been outsourced and the devs apparently aren't answering requests for additional fixes. Not much you can do on your end, unfortunately.

As for the lack of DLSS 3, maybe I'm stating the obvious but are your drivers up to date?

Yes after doing some research it seems as though this is just an unsupported game now and theres no way to fix the stutters. I had temporary success when deleting local appdata in the returnal folder to force a shader recompile, but after maybe 20 minutes of playing the stutters gradually return to a point where they occur in combat and get you killed.

All of my drivers are up to date and my windows 10 is up to date. The option for frame generation just isn't in the menu.

It sucks bc this is such a fun game, I am very curious if anyone has found a fix for the stutter that lasts longer than 20 mins.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Megatherium:

It sucks bc this is such a fun game, I am very curious if anyone has found a fix for the stutter that lasts longer than 20 mins.

Yeah I really appreciated the game itself but not the performance. I tried an insane amount of things to alleviate the stutter but It's pretty much random from what I can gather. Some sessions will be rather ok, some won't. A shame.

[DruminFoo]

Originally posted by Megatherium:

I have a 4080 and a 5800x3d.
I am trying to optimize this game as I find the stutters to be distracting. When I run no dlss, no rtx, rest of the settings on high or epic, i get about 90 fps with 50% gpu usage. Dlss enabled doesn't improve fps at all. Turning RTX ON increases fps to about 120, increases gpu usage to around 80%, but the stutters to 6fps when entering a new room, shooting the gun, or turning rapidly persist.
My menu also has no option for dlss 3.
What is going on here?

Stutters getting worse over time might be your VRAM getting full, but then I would think your 4080 should have enough. I first played this game with a 2080ti 11GB, and even though I had stuttering, it wouldn't get worse over time.

The thing that made a huge difference in this game for me was upgrading to a 7800x3d and ddr5 memory. Gave me an extra 50 fps. I can cap my frame rate to my monitors 165Hz and I hardly notice it go below that. Just some loading stutters. I play with all settings on Epic, all three RT features off, and FSR on Quality at 1440p.

In game benchmark screenshot (uncapped framerate):
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2265941315511029383/E3AE93DF780994D7A21E5A01374D9A7A31C17611/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[lukaself]

Originally posted by DruminFoo:

In game benchmark screenshot (uncapped framerate):
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1649240/screenshots/?p=1&browsefilter=mostrecent#scrollTop=0

Your benchmark does display quite a serious stutter issue.

[DruminFoo]

Also, how do you make screenshots appear in a post? Thx

[DruminFoo]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by DruminFoo:

In game benchmark screenshot (uncapped framerate):
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1649240/screenshots/?p=1&browsefilter=mostrecent#scrollTop=0

Your benchmark does display quite a serious stutter issue.

When I cap the frames to my monitors 165Hz, it's just as I described. Very little stutter and the game runs incredibly smooth.

In-game benchmark screenshot (V-sync on):
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2265941315511802006/AD4A984997BCC713547DE1FE453A879186C234A3/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

I tried to get an in-game screenshot while playing, but the on-screen metrics wouldn't show. I was getting 6.06ms frametimes and average 1% lows of 100-120 fps.

[cardiac_enzyme]

This game is better on an AMD GPU. I've platinumed the game with my 7900 XTX and had an incredibly smooth experience. Played on the epic preset with ray tracing.

[Megatherium]

Stutters getting worse over time might be your VRAM getting full, but then I would think your 4080 should have enough. I first played this game with a 2080ti 11GB, and even though I had stuttering, it wouldn't get worse over time.

The thing that made a huge difference in this game for me was upgrading to a 7800x3d and ddr5 memory. Gave me an extra 50 fps. I can cap my frame rate to my monitors 165Hz and I hardly notice it go below that. Just some loading stutters. I play with all settings on Epic, all three RT features off, and FSR on Quality at 1440p.
[/quote]

Yeah I am suspicious that the software has some issue in detecting my gpu, which may be why I don't have access to frame gen. Maybe this is related in some way to an issue with VRAM? idk.

I was hoping my 5800x3d would last a little longer, shame if it's goign to be time to upgrade to am5 so soon. Probably not going to buy a new mobo and cpu just for one game.

I am curious about the stories I see from people who say that the april dlss 3 patch fixed all stutters. I wonder if subsequent nvidia driver updates created new stutter issues.

Thanks for the replies

[Megatherium]

Update: The best solution I have found is to set the shader cache to unlimited in the nvidia settings. When rtx is off, stuttering is very minimal now.
Still having a weird problem with DLSS causing lower gpu usage and slightly worse fps.
And also cannot see frame generation in the graphics menu.

[BlastThyName]

Originally posted by Megatherium:

Update: The best solution I have found is to set the shader cache to unlimited in the nvidia settings. When rtx is off, stuttering is very minimal now.
Still having a weird problem with DLSS causing lower gpu usage and slightly worse fps.
And also cannot see frame generation in the graphics menu.

dlss means lower res which can mean lower gpu usage.

this is perfectly normal in your case as you are cpu limited

[Megatherium]

Originally posted by BlastThyName:

Originally posted by Megatherium:

Update: The best solution I have found is to set the shader cache to unlimited in the nvidia settings. When rtx is off, stuttering is very minimal now.
Still having a weird problem with DLSS causing lower gpu usage and slightly worse fps.
And also cannot see frame generation in the graphics menu.

dlss means lower res which can mean lower gpu usage.

this is perfectly normal in your case as you are cpu limited

in other games dlss tends to increase framerate by quite a bit. is this game particularly cpu intensive? and any idea on why I cant see frame gen as an option? (have updated drivers and hardware scheduling on)

[potato]

Originally posted by Megatherium:

in other games dlss tends to increase framerate by quite a bit. is this game particularly cpu intensive? and any idea on why I cant see frame gen as an option? (have updated drivers and hardware scheduling on)

frame gen requires hags to be enabled

do you have it enabled

https://www.howtogeek.com/756935/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated-gpu-scheduling-in-windows-11/

[Megatherium]

Originally posted by potato:

Originally posted by Megatherium:

in other games dlss tends to increase framerate by quite a bit. is this game particularly cpu intensive? and any idea on why I cant see frame gen as an option? (have updated drivers and hardware scheduling on)

frame gen requires hags to be enabled

do you have it enabled

https://www.howtogeek.com/756935/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated-gpu-scheduling-in-windows-11/

Yes, I do have hardware accelerated GPU scheduling on. Frame generation works well for me in cyberpunk, diablo iv, the finals, and starfield without any problems.
I appreciate the suggestion though.

[Catundro]

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