The coolest game I'll never finish.

[StingingVelvet]

First of all, this game has a crucial flaw: not feeling like you made any progress when you die. That's been covered in reviews I should have listened to, but playing it holy cow is this obvious. Can't believe the developers didn't realize this.

More importantly though, I'm an old dude and just can't dodge everything fast enough. I can still shoot accurately with the best of 'em, but enemies spawning in behind while other enemies shoot tons of bullets while dodging pits and watching for a reload timer and all that? Way too much for me, so even though I love the aesthetic and style of the game I doubt I will ever get far.

Real shame.

[katharsis]

You do make progress, you unlock more artifacts and guns that have a chance to drop henceforth. and once you beat a boss you dont have to beat them again if you dont want to. lots of biome skips. im getting old too, this game is not hard if you just have patience and practice a bit.

[Kashra Fall]

The permanent unlocks will help you along your way, focus on getting those and the weapons will be so much better. That's where your builds come in. Artifacts, gun mods, parasites. It all works in unison and if you can't dodge everything, there are items for that too =P.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally posted by katharsis:

You do make progress, you unlock more artifacts and guns that have a chance to drop henceforth. and once you beat a boss you dont have to beat them again if you dont want to. lots of biome skips. im getting old too, this game is not hard if you just have patience and practice a bit.

A true feeling of progression would be artifacts you get permanently, not just "hey now they're random drops." You start from zero every time other than weapon upgrades as far as I can tell. I think the problem is the runs are so long you need to feel more like they're worth it.

Anyway, maybe it gets better but it's like a TV show... if you don't like episode one or maybe two, then you're not gonna keep watching. I've got three hours in the game and I'm not having fun at all. Is what it is.

[Alcovitch]

Originally posted by StingingVelvet:

Originally posted by katharsis:

You do make progress, you unlock more artifacts and guns that have a chance to drop henceforth. and once you beat a boss you dont have to beat them again if you dont want to. lots of biome skips. im getting old too, this game is not hard if you just have patience and practice a bit.

A true feeling of progression would be artifacts you get permanently, not just "hey now they're random drops." You start from zero every time other than weapon upgrades as far as I can tell. I think the problem is the runs are so long you need to feel more like they're worth it.

Anyway, maybe it gets better but it's like a TV show... if you don't like episode one or maybe two, then you're not gonna keep watching. I've got three hours in the game and I'm not having fun at all. Is what it is.

The game is a blast to play

I guess Roguelikes are not for you. They are all like this. You push further, ulock new items that can be found in subsequent runs, new weps and you try again.

I'm not seeing the problem. Games 30 second loop is pretty enjoyable.

[Salfaden]

Originally posted by Alcovitch:

The game is a blast to play

I guess Roguelikes are not for you. They are all like this. You push further, ulock new items that can be found in subsequent runs, new weps and you try again.

I'm not seeing the problem. Games 30 second loop is pretty enjoyable.

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Pretty much, yes the runs are long, but there is an emphasis on exploration, you really should've researched more on the game before purchasing it, imo game is amazing, just beat biome 3 and holy hell its incredible, gameplay is highly addictive once you start figuring out how the gears and equipment work, deciding where to explore, what to pick up, its great. I also have a soft spot for the movie prometheus so this game's world was right up my alley.

Hope u stick around a bit longer, I don't know if u can get a refund after playing 3 hrs.

[eternal]

Originally posted by katharsis:

and once you beat a boss you dont have to beat them again if you dont want to.

What? How?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally posted by Alcovitch:

The game is a blast to play

I guess Roguelikes are not for you. They are all like this. You push further, ulock new items that can be found in subsequent runs, new weps and you try again.

I'm not seeing the problem. Games 30 second loop is pretty enjoyable.

I like plenty of roguelikes. Rogue Legacy was a blast for example, as is Dead Cells. The problem here, again, is that the time invested does not feel rewarding. I'm glad you disagree, enjoy the game! I unfortunately am not.

[Salfaden]

Originally posted by eternal:

Originally posted by katharsis:

and once you beat a boss you dont have to beat them again if you dont want to.

What? How?

shortcuts to the next biome open up, you just gotta find it.

[Lucifer]

I can tolerate the lack of progression - my major gripe is the variety is horrible. most guns are trash and so are most upgrades.

[JohnTravoltage]

Originally posted by StingingVelvet:

Originally posted by katharsis:

You do make progress, you unlock more artifacts and guns that have a chance to drop henceforth. and once you beat a boss you dont have to beat them again if you dont want to. lots of biome skips. im getting old too, this game is not hard if you just have patience and practice a bit.

A true feeling of progression would be artifacts you get permanently, not just "hey now they're random drops." You start from zero every time other than weapon upgrades as far as I can tell. I think the problem is the runs are so long you need to feel more like they're worth it.

Anyway, maybe it gets better but it's like a TV show... if you don't like episode one or maybe two, then you're not gonna keep watching. I've got three hours in the game and I'm not having fun at all. Is what it is.

This is the same reason why many people like these kind of games. Not gonna make everyone happy.

Personally I am more interested in progression within the game per run, with the main progression of the game being our own skill as we learn it. If they just gave us permanent artifacts it would irrevocably change how the game is balanced, either too hard initially, or too easy later on. Meta progression between runs (which this game still has in many ways anyway..) can only go so far. Progression within each run is what actually gives variety to the gameplay endlessly and is part of what makes roguelikes roguelikes.

[Icy1007]

Originally posted by Lucifer:

I can tolerate the lack of progression - my major gripe is the variety is horrible. most guns are trash and so are most upgrades.

That is a skill issue.

[Lucifer]

Originally posted by Icy1007:

Originally posted by Lucifer:

I can tolerate the lack of progression - my major gripe is the variety is horrible. most guns are trash and so are most upgrades.

That is a skill issue.

I've already completed the game on ps5, scrub. Your comment makes no sense.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally posted by JohnTravoltage:

This is the same reason why many people like these kind of games. Not gonna make everyone happy.

Oh absolutely, and I wish them well! It's just not for me.

[bshock]

Fair enough. Not everything is for everyone. I'm not that great at the game either, with my best days of coordination behind me. However, I'm still absolutely in love with the game and will keep trying.

[SaltHuntress]

Originally posted by StingingVelvet:

Originally posted by Alcovitch:

The game is a blast to play

I guess Roguelikes are not for you. They are all like this. You push further, ulock new items that can be found in subsequent runs, new weps and you try again.

I'm not seeing the problem. Games 30 second loop is pretty enjoyable.

I like plenty of roguelikes. Rogue Legacy was a blast for example, as is Dead Cells. The problem here, again, is that the time invested does not feel rewarding. I'm glad you disagree, enjoy the game! I unfortunately am not.

The rogue terminoligy is a bit vague at times but it sounds like you like Rogue-Lites, these are games with permanent character upgrades such as dead cells or rogue legacy or hades.

Rogue likes have at most metroidvania style upgrades like the grappel hook and laser sword, but no other permanent-carry-over-between-runs character upgrades besides unlocking other items like the binding of isaac.


The whole rogue genre has it's meaning muddled over time but this game was advertised as Rogue-like.