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DYMAXION Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:10am
Try capping FPS to prevent micro-stutter
The game's 1% lows are much lower than your average FPS. You'll need to calculate this with something like MSI Afterburner.

You then should cap your FPS through something like the Nvidia control panel.
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CPU Level 2 Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:13am 
Or, maybe instead of the customer having to jump through hoops, they ship a game that doesn't have insane lows.
APN34Z Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:17am 
Originally posted by Bob Nass:
Or, maybe instead of the customer having to jump through hoops, they ship a game that doesn't have insane lows.
Or you can learn to buy a system that has ideal pairing parts and doesnt cheap out on pci3, bad vrms and knows how to switch on vsync etc lol, go back to console gaming?!
Sonic Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:22am 
What i find weird is that many people fail to understand that Pc Gaming always had these kind of struggles in one way or another because there a million and one different system settings that are impossible to take all into account.
Thats why its up to the user to fix those problems as the developer can only cover a couple of them.
That means people report problems, some people will coclude yep i have the same problem and then you go down and find the culprit.
Its Pc Gaming for a reason. You need to have at least a little knowledge of what you are doing. If you want it easy, go console gaming.
A Pc is not just a turn it on it works machine.
Purple Sauce Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by Sonic:
What i find weird is that many people fail to understand that Pc Gaming always had these kind of struggles in one way or another because there a million and one different system settings that are impossible to take all into account.
Thats why its up to the user to fix those problems as the developer can only cover a couple of them.
That means people report problems, some people will coclude yep i have the same problem and then you go down and find the culprit.
Its Pc Gaming for a reason. You need to have at least a little knowledge of what you are doing. If you want it easy, go console gaming.
A Pc is not just a turn it on it works machine.

SSSHHHHHHH! Stop stating the obvious! This is a brand new issue plaguing the gaming space!!!!!!
toughy Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by Physickl:
Originally posted by Bob Nass:
Or, maybe instead of the customer having to jump through hoops, they ship a game that doesn't have insane lows.
Or you can learn to buy a system that has ideal pairing parts and doesnt cheap out on pci3, bad vrms and knows how to switch on vsync etc lol, go back to console gaming?!
Other games, which can be even more complex, like RDR2 in example, can do it too, why not this one? I didn't cheap out on anything 5950x + 4090 + 32GB @3800, still having stutters while walking through the levels...
DYMAXION Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by Bob Nass:
Or, maybe instead of the customer having to jump through hoops, they ship a game that doesn't have insane lows.
It's most likely triggered by the CPU. You have to remember this is a 60FPS title on the PS5.
DYMAXION Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:25am 
Originally posted by toughy:
Originally posted by Physickl:
Or you can learn to buy a system that has ideal pairing parts and doesnt cheap out on pci3, bad vrms and knows how to switch on vsync etc lol, go back to console gaming?!
Other games, which can be even more complex, like RDR2 in example, can do it too, why not this one? I didn't cheap out on anything 5950x + 4090 + 32GB @3800, still having stutters while walking through the levels...
Are you capping your FPS?
toughy Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:35am 
Originally posted by DYMAXION:
Originally posted by toughy:
Other games, which can be even more complex, like RDR2 in example, can do it too, why not this one? I didn't cheap out on anything 5950x + 4090 + 32GB @3800, still having stutters while walking through the levels...
Are you capping your FPS?
I tried a bit and they seem less severe then but why should I go down all the way from 144 to 60 just to not get stutters? If high framerates are not supported, then they should just not allow to unlock it, or at least with a warning and not advertise it.
Last edited by toughy; Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:35am
DYMAXION Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by toughy:
Originally posted by DYMAXION:
Are you capping your FPS?
I tried a bit and they seem less severe then but why should I go down all the way from 144 to 60 just to not get stutters? If high framerates are not supported, then they should just not allow to unlock it, or at least with a warning and not advertise it.
PC gaming allows for unlocked framerates but it's up to the user to determine what their manual setting should be. This is based on whatever hardware you happen to have. I'm assuming this title doesn't scale well with better CPUs, since you obviously have good hardware.

If you run the benchmark you can see what your 1% lows are.

One of the unfortunate aspects of PC gaming is that CPU performance is still largely based on performance on a limited number of threads and the uplift between generations is kinda meh. This game uses Unreal Engine 4 and I know for a fact that the engine doesn't scale well with CPU cores. Unreal Engine 5 will need to fix this as the consoles will need to make use of their expanded number of cores. If they don't fix it another engine with just surpass them.
Last edited by DYMAXION; Feb 15, 2023 @ 11:10am
toughy Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by DYMAXION:
Originally posted by toughy:
I tried a bit and they seem less severe then but why should I go down all the way from 144 to 60 just to not get stutters? If high framerates are not supported, then they should just not allow to unlock it, or at least with a warning and not advertise it.
PC gaming allows for unlocked framerates but it's up to the user to determine what their manual setting should be. This is based on whatever hardware you happen to have. I'm assuming this title doesn't scale well with better CPUs, since you obviously have good hardware.

If you run the benchmark with MSI Afterburner you can just set it to what your 1% lows are.

One of the unfortunate aspects of PC gaming is that CPU performance is still largely based on performance on a limited number of threads and the uplift between generations is kinda meh. This game uses Unreal Engine 4 and I know for a fact that the engine doesn't scale well with CPU cores. Unreal Engine 5 will need to fix this as the consoles will need to make use of their expanded number of cores. If they don't fix it another engine with just surpass them.
Thx, but I just found that even the PS5 had these stutters... It is not really a game breaker, but nonetheless annoying...
InstableMonster Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by toughy:
Originally posted by DYMAXION:
Are you capping your FPS?
I tried a bit and they seem less severe then but why should I go down all the way from 144 to 60 just to not get stutters? If high framerates are not supported, then they should just not allow to unlock it, or at least with a warning and not advertise it.
Because by capping your framerate you give some breathing room to your parts to handle the occasionnal surge of information they have to deal with (which causes microstutter) and thus lessen their impact.

They shouldnt lock high frame rates because unlocking it allows people in the future with better hardware to play at higher fps. This is pc gaming, there are new better performing parts constantly. This isnt a console that will never see a hardware update.
Last edited by InstableMonster; Feb 15, 2023 @ 10:55am
DYMAXION Feb 15, 2023 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by toughy:
Originally posted by DYMAXION:
PC gaming allows for unlocked framerates but it's up to the user to determine what their manual setting should be. This is based on whatever hardware you happen to have. I'm assuming this title doesn't scale well with better CPUs, since you obviously have good hardware.

If you run the benchmark with MSI Afterburner you can just set it to what your 1% lows are.

One of the unfortunate aspects of PC gaming is that CPU performance is still largely based on performance on a limited number of threads and the uplift between generations is kinda meh. This game uses Unreal Engine 4 and I know for a fact that the engine doesn't scale well with CPU cores. Unreal Engine 5 will need to fix this as the consoles will need to make use of their expanded number of cores. If they don't fix it another engine with just surpass them.
Thx, but I just found that even the PS5 had these stutters... It is not really a game breaker, but nonetheless annoying...
Yeah, the PS5 apparently also has traversal stutters.
KillingArts Feb 15, 2023 @ 11:42am 
Originally posted by Sonic:
What i find weird is that many people fail to understand that Pc Gaming always had these kind of struggles in one way or another because there a million and one different system settings that are impossible to take all into account.
Thats why its up to the user to fix those problems as the developer can only cover a couple of them.
That means people report problems, some people will coclude yep i have the same problem and then you go down and find the culprit.
Its Pc Gaming for a reason. You need to have at least a little knowledge of what you are doing. If you want it easy, go console gaming.
A Pc is not just a turn it on it works machine.
That's not quite how it works. There are certain issues, like the famous shader compilation stutter, that happen for all players to some degree, independent of their hardware and configuration. Not preventable, definitely preventable by the dev (pre-compilation), and if they did, that would prevent it for all players.
CPU Level 2 Feb 15, 2023 @ 11:54am 
Originally posted by Physickl:
Originally posted by Bob Nass:
Or, maybe instead of the customer having to jump through hoops, they ship a game that doesn't have insane lows.
Or you can learn to buy a system that has ideal pairing parts and doesnt cheap out on pci3, bad vrms and knows how to switch on vsync etc lol, go back to console gaming?!

It might be dated but a 5800x, 3070, MSI Gaming Pro, 32gb RAM shouldn't stutter IMO. Unless you're saying I should be spending thousands more just so a $60 game doesn't stutter?

Keep on riding that corporate pp mate. :)
DYMAXION Feb 15, 2023 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by Bob Nass:
Originally posted by Physickl:
Or you can learn to buy a system that has ideal pairing parts and doesnt cheap out on pci3, bad vrms and knows how to switch on vsync etc lol, go back to console gaming?!

It might be dated but a 5800x, 3070, MSI Gaming Pro, 32gb RAM shouldn't stutter IMO. Unless you're saying I should be spending thousands more just so a $60 game doesn't stutter?

Keep on riding that corporate pp mate. :)
I have a 3070 and 5600x and I don't see any stutter with a 60FPS cap through the driver.
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