Balancing the Books

[MilkManSon]

I have completely taken over an entire faction. I have every member doing freelance and collecting 20% from the missions and I still can't balance the books. Will the developer be addressing this issue soon? My treasury is dropping like crazy from military expenses.

[sedman]

I haven't taken over any systems or stations since the 1.6.1, but what happens if you run out of cash right now? Does it go into deficit / negative numbers? Do soldiers leave if they cannot be paid? Do system security personnel quit if they cant be paid?
If it goes into negative funds, then that's a problem, if it hits zero, then at least you can make sure the funds are spent as soon as they hit the faction wallet.

Personally, I'm waiting off on doing any station/system actions, I've started a new save, put the storyline on standby, just grinding cash and buying a few versions of each ship while my pilot skill is low, so I get a cheap tier 0 ships with the right perks that I can upgrade myself.
I found, at lvl30 pilot, the ships are lvl30, are at least tier 2 and have a random module socket already installed. Once I have a broad selection of ships, I'll use that save as a starting point in case wipes happen. Obviously, if the dev decides to redo ships, something unfortunate may happen, but I'm thinking, its likely that this is not the last system wipe - faction updates (loan sharks), exploration update (warp gates), all have an impact on systems...

[MilkManSon]

Originally posted by sedman:

I haven't taken over any systems or stations since the 1.6.1, but what happens if you run out of cash right now? Does it go into deficit / negative numbers? Do soldiers leave if they cannot be paid? Do system security personnel quit if they cant be paid?
If it goes into negative funds, then that's a problem, if it hits zero, then at least you can make sure the funds are spent as soon as they hit the faction wallet.

Personally, I'm waiting off on doing any station/system actions, I've started a new save, put the storyline on standby, just grinding cash and buying a few versions of each ship while my pilot skill is low, so I get a cheap tier 0 ships with the right perks that I can upgrade myself.
I found, at lvl30 pilot, the ships are lvl30, are at least tier 2 and have a random module socket already installed. Once I have a broad selection of ships, I'll use that save as a starting point in case wipes happen. Obviously, if the dev decides to redo ships, something unfortunate may happen, but I'm thinking, its likely that this is not the last system wipe - faction updates (loan sharks), exploration update (warp gates), all have an impact on systems...

I don't have any answers to these questions. I'm not going to let my treasury hit 0. I'm tired of donating my own personal money to the faction. So until this is addressed i have to stop playing for now.

[watchdog79]

You can help the books with the taxes that work. Do the mail missions with your pilots, get enough civilian people to join your faction and make them pay taxes. It takes time, but it only requires a few clicks every now and then.

[Janzig]

Yeah, I am getting lots of $ from taxes on my 1200 members. This is using the default rates. Also constantly sending my freelancers out on the mail missions.

[vanishing]

Hi,
Before the patch it just went negative and that was about it really, no one deserted nothing changed you just had 0 in alliance funds, my army is costing me 360k but I just raid and sell the goods, 100 mill uplift keeps it going for a while again, fairly easily raiding and mass selling until it is sorted.
Or save all the materials and let it sit at zero cash until it's patched then give yourself a cash infusion..................
Looking at my revenue with gates set at 40 per cent tax, i will be a very rich faction when the mechanics are sorted out, hopefully we can then invest in our fleets with the cash.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by vanishing:

Hi,
Before the patch it just went negative and that was about it really, no one deserted nothing changed you just had 0 in alliance funds, my army is costing me 360k but I just raid and sell the goods, 100 mill uplift keeps it going for a while again, fairly easily raiding and mass selling until it is sorted.
Or save all the materials and let it sit at zero cash until it's patched then give yourself a cash infusion..................
Looking at my revenue with gates set at 40 per cent tax, i will be a very rich faction when the mechanics are sorted out, hopefully we can then invest in our fleets with the cash.

So long as that update doesn't come with a balance basing visitor rate on tax rates lol ;)

Most systems are highly profitable at as low as 6-8 percent when you set the security at a reasonable level.

[[PM] Xanderxavier]

atm theres a bug with systems where instead of subtracting expenses from income and giving you the resulting it instead does it with profits (which is actually the amount u should be receiving) and expenses so instead of earning 1.8 mill im loosing 1.1 mill every day lol adding to hundreds of k spent on military to, how survive well simply put add more citizens via mail missions and build more stations which house non-citizens both give you money, im still overall gaining money once i get enough of em ill gain quite a bit.

[MilkManSon]

I have an entire factions worth of solar systems conquered. Plus space stations. Plus sky high taxes. Plus all members of the military doing freelance missions that I tax at 20%.How much is enough? This is clearly bugged. I want to know when DBK will be fixing this. Until then this game is unplayable.

[MilkManSon]

Also, when you Go into the faction menu, then trading, it still says +0 for all resources coming in. Even though you have mining stations, research and tools. Maybe instead of doing Capital ships he can fix these accounting errors that are so rampant in this game. while he's at it some of the stupid spelling errors too. It's very frustrating to work hard on your faction and still have money taken out when you should have money coming in. I shouldn't have to sell all my resources for a cash infusion(that doesn't last very long btw). I feel like this in real life working myself to death for the Federal Government paying taxes and never getting ahead (i.e. higher tax brackets) I don't want that experience in a game. Fix it Now DBK !!!!

[MilkManSon]

Originally posted by watchdog79:

You can help the books with the taxes that work. Do the mail missions with your pilots, get enough civilian people to join your faction and make them pay taxes. It takes time, but it only requires a few clicks every now and then.

Did all that stuff. Still doesn't work. I just lose money no matter what. To the tune of 380k a day now. I can't keep up. What is a day now in game? Like an hour? I shouldn't have to work for my faction and donate my money to them. They should work for me.

[Breytac]

There are no consequences for soldiers/pilots not being paid. Just carry on as normal.

[MilkManSon]

Originally posted by Breytac:

There are no consequences for soldiers/pilots not being paid. Just carry on as normal.

It's still broken Bro. What if I wanted to start a new station in a system with nothing and use my treasury money to buy resources. Now I can't do that. Back to my original question....When is he going to fix this?

[Feral]

I have the same problem despite now holding Diode with a supposedly £1.8M TY income. I've posted about it in previous threads here and raised a bug report. Sadly, it only affects some players - for others the systems are earning them money. For me, even when my treasury hits zero TY it doesn't seem to have an impact on my stats (no loss in loyalty, etc) which is what I thought would happen - if I can't pay my staff I'd expect them to get disenchanted with me and leave.

You could raise another bug report (F10 in-game, IIRC, or via the main/pause menu); perhaps if enough reports are filed then that will raise its importance in the eyes of the dev and get it fixed quicker. Until then, as I'm already Rank 3 in guilds (except the Brotherhood and I'm not interested in that), I'm just doing mail missions and trying to get my ranks up. So far the wipes associated with patches haven't affected those. I've stopped trying to take over systems and bases.

[MilkManSon]

Originally posted by Feral:

I have the same problem despite now holding Diode with a supposedly £1.8M TY income. I've posted about it in previous threads here and raised a bug report. Sadly, it only affects some players - for others the systems are earning them money. For me, even when my treasury hits zero TY it doesn't seem to have an impact on my stats (no loss in loyalty, etc) which is what I thought would happen - if I can't pay my staff I'd expect them to get disenchanted with me and leave.

You could raise another bug report (F10 in-game, IIRC, or via the main/pause menu); perhaps if enough reports are filed then that will raise its importance in the eyes of the dev and get it fixed quicker. Until then, as I'm already Rank 3 in guilds (except the Brotherhood and I'm not interested in that), I'm just doing mail missions and trying to get my ranks up. So far the wipes associated with patches haven't affected those. I've stopped trying to take over systems and bases.

Yeah i understand, I could do my guild stuff. Im rank 3 with all now. I'm just mad because I was sold this game on the idea I would be able to empire build as well as do personal missions. Just mad because I feel like I really cant play until this is fixed. I really like this game. Just needs lots of work on basic mechanics first rather than adding new content like capital ships. I hope he will address these bugs and not be like other developers and say "I got your money now ♥♥♥♥♥. No refunds!"

[Natjur]

Looks like its fixed in the next patch, just wait another few more days