Mining As Is

[ChromeTainted]

Just wanted to give some information on what I know about mining so far,asides from the fact it is so broken as of current build.

ORES AND VALUES PER UNIT (UPDATED)
ASORTAK / ZOKAL $22500 7 XP ZOKAL is the name of ore on an asteroid that contain ASORTAK. (ASSORTED ASTEROIDS NOW GIVE ASTORAK,ONLY TESTED 2 ASTEROIDS SO DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS)
WOLFRAM / VOKAL $8200 6 XP VOKAL Is the name of ore on an asteroid that contains WOLFRAM.
PLATINUM $3050 5 X

I have not updated prices on the 4 ores below aas it does not seem releveant( worthless)
but it's roughly double the prices shown.
NIKEL $550 4 XP
GOLD $1200 3 XP
IRON $500 2 XP
COAL $250 1 XP

ORE LOCATIONS
There are 3 sources of gathering ores.

1. Flying across a planet until you spot an ore on the ground.These are quite spread out and to find the type you want can be time consuming.

2.going in Pits on planets.Here you get random ores each time you go in and at the end of every 3 levels there will be a boss to fight.Also some pits are bugged as you can fall down through the ground when going through doorways,you will see sometimes a tear in the map on the floor in doorways.You can jump these sometimes.,depending on the height of the door and size of the tear in the map.

3.Asteroid fields.By far the best of the 3 choices. Just fly around and there's tons of ore all around you.

MINING TOOLS
Currently as far as I know there are only two ways to mine.

First is using a hand mining laser which you get when you join the guild.

Second is a mining ship which you can buy at level 1 mining and costs 906,462 TY. This can only be used in asteroid fields.

The mining laser is by far superior to using a ship for mining.Which in reality makes no sense.A Ship should be far superior over a hand laser.

HOW TO MINE
USING HAND LASER - when on ground you just basically walk over to the ore you wish to mine and press TAB, this will bring out your laser.To mine you simply hold down both mouse buttons.When pointed at an ore you can see what type of ore it contains by moving cursor around the ore( preferably the coloured parts)
Your mining laser has a few options. you will notice it has two bars that says efficiency and power. The higher the power the more you will mine faster and burn through the rock. Efficiency is what gives you more yield from ores.
You can move the sliders by pressing H and hovering over the said sliders and scrolling with mouse or you can just hold both mouse buttons down and scroll.
When mining ideally you want 99% efficiency and 0 power.
There's a few bugs where sometimes you could be mining an asteroid and you need to relocate by flying or just having to put your laser away and once you reuse even though it says 99%efficiency and 0 power it will have both so you tear through ores like no tomorrow. Just scroll each time you pull your laser out and this will fix it correctly.
You can also press F which gives some type of burrowing ball. I think it's supposed to be a bomb. can be useful later on when mining asteroids. just note that it destroys ores it burrows through.

USING SHIP - You first need to equip your ship with 3 items you buy from mining guilds.
MIsactor Systems,Gatherer and Mining Laser.Once purchased all 3 of these you put them in your mining ship.to do this enter your ship Press F for services and at bottom right go to the MISACTOR tab and put in your 3 parts.
Now you just fly to a asteroid field find the asteroid you want to mine(preffably Zokal, will go more into this later)
once found aquired ore you fly near it and press 4 to use mining drone aka Misactor. you will then fly a small drone to which you fly over to the asteroid and begin mining. To use this form of mining you press LEFT MOUSE BUTTON to mine and RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON to collect/hoover up the ores you have mined. bare in mind there is a distance limit at which you can collect the ore so if it's not moving when you try and collect it then you must move closer. As you level up you can get better tier mods for improving this distance.
You can bore into the asteroid using this mining vessel by pressing MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON this will burrow into an asteroid for some distance but be warned it will delete any ores in it's path. Also you can fly your craft through the gap that is made. You only have a few charges of these. I belive using a white mod gives you 4 uses and purple 6 and yellow I presume will be 8 .(not used yellow / legendary yet as I have not got round to installing)
you can refresh these charges by going back to your ship and docking and then undock again and carry on mining.
When mining with a ship this way you can get up to 3 ores but you only get XP for 1. Again kind of broken.

EARNINGS FROM MINING .(UPDATE) station tax is now 28.5% which is not as bad as previously mentioned below.
I say earnings but in current state of game it's really not what I would call earnings.
The mining guild will take a deduction from all ores. At lvl 1 you lose 15% of all sales, lvl 2 you lose 10% and at lvl 4 you lose 5%. sound better the more you level but the real mining killer is station tax which is around 50% of all ores.
Mining for hours only to have half the profits vanish is just plain stupid, I mean what's the point in guild reductions of 15%,10% and 5% if 50% is taken from station tax. In my opinion station tax should be not be there.

MINING LEVELS AND BENEFITS

LVL 1 mining gives you access to white tier mods for your mining ship. Also the mining ship
LVL 2 mining gives you purple mods for your ship
LVL 3 mining gives you access to yellow / legendary mods for your ship.

If you look in the guild tab for mining it says you get access to more mining lasers and ships but in current state of game you do not. as for the % cut in ores per level it is irrelevant as mentioned above.station tax is 50% of all sales.

TALENTS / PERKS
Mining will give you small amounts of ADVENTURER XP per ore mined.
If you look under your ADVENTURER tab at the talents you can get, there are a few for mining. Apparently if you put points in coordination it effects mining. I presume it is to do with yield but if it works or not is another thing.
You will see also there's talents for COMPRESSOR which supposedly gives you more money when you compress stacks. Tier one gives 60% more money and tier 2 gives 100% more money. I can confirm these do not work in current state of game.
So If you do decide to mine I would highly suggest taking the MORE EXPERIENCE perk.This gives you at tier 1 10% of XP from soldier and pilot classes and tier 2 gives you 30 % which is quite good for doing nothing. Ideally if I restarted I would get mining to lvl 3 first and get tier 2 of the XP perk. there are a lot of other useful perks if you look for yourself.

I know you can get adventurer points from EXPLORERS GUILD but by taking these perks first is kind of a no brainer and I say this because you can get these points for essentially free.I will explain below.

HOW TO MINE- THE EASY WAY
How do you mine easily?? IT's simple AFK mine.
How does one AFK mine. It's simple you basically fly to an asteroid field and you search nearest asteroids to the waypoint marker you just landed on and fly around until you find ZOKAL/ASORTAK or VOKAL/WOLFRAM if you find either of these your good. These two will always be directly next to each other. If you find ZOKAL first no need to search any more but if you find VOKAL then just scan asteroids directly next to it and one will be ZOKAL. sometimes I have found two ZOKAL next to each other. If having a hard time finding them just fly back to the asteroid way point where you landed and then fly out again , only searching nearest astroids to way point.
Once found Zokal you will want to use your mining ship and fly over to the asteroid in your MISACTOR . The thing with ZOKAL is it's a very small amount in the asteroid and i mean very small indeed.It will always be in the centre of the asteroid.To get to this you will want to use the Burrow function on your ship but you must be careful because using this function can DESTROY all the ZOKAL / ASTORAK you are looking for
Line up your ship so you are sort of facing the centre of the asteroid and then go move your pointer just off centre,lets say go left of centre just a bit, by doing this you will not destroy all of the ore.You now want to press MIDDLE MOUSE to bore into the asteroid.You will want to fire twice in the same place.then you can fly in and see if you can see any hints of green ore. If you see ore then stop.
If you do not see ore then go back out and slowly burrow closer to the middle/right of last bore holes remember you need to fire twice to reach middle.
If you run out of bore charges return to ship and it will reload your bore count.
Once found green ore you require you simply park your Misactor back on the ship and exit ship by holding G,then fly into the asteroid and begin mining.


HOW TO AFK MINE
Now to AFK mine. You basically have to hold down both mouse buttons and set efficiency to 99% and aim at a single spot of ore.How to hold down two mouse buttons. I used sellotape/ sticky tape. you can also put some kind of weights on your buttons, change key binds and weigh those down or jam them in with paper lol or just make a macro I just had tape at hand and chose that option as it was faster for me than setting up a macro.
Because the efficiency is set to 99% and power is 0% it will not damage the ore so you can mine one spot for ever.

PROFITABLE ? (UPDATED)
At the end of the day you will make about 10 mill I think roughly every 8 hours, give or take,I can't remember exact numbers.
IS IT WORTH IT?
Yes for AFK money and adventurer points and that's about it.Easier way to make money below.
since last few updates you can now probably get 20mill every 8 hours. I will test later to confirm.

MINING SHIP IS GOOD FOR ?
The only thing this ship in current state is good for is going to loot villages,simply because of the amount of storage slots it has.You can farm 2 villages at a time on a planet( but note that once you raid a village on a planet you can never raid it again,so make sure you always raid different villages)
This is by far the easiest way to make money in the game if you go to areas where the levels are at least 20 - 30 levels above your soldier level you get much more money from the NPC's defending because they drop higher level loot and is worth a lot more than lower levels.Just make sure you have a sniper rifle and stand well back and just head shot them all. takes a minute to learn the swaying of the weapon but it's really just patience.


I think that covers the majority of it, If I have missed anything please let me know.

Good luck to you all and happy Mining / village pillaging.

[vanishing]

So, I tried mining last night, went and got the ship, you then have to basically hover the insides of the asteroid, I am somewhat confused with the fact I bought a ship and would expect the ship to have mining lasers on it, where I sit in my captains chair, watching the pretty light show and my hold fills with ore, Like Eve back in the day.
Am I doing it wrong? or is it set up then you have to fly that yellow peril and do it all by hand?
Thanks

[ChromeTainted]

Originally posted by vanishing:

So, I tried mining last night, went and got the ship, you then have to basically hover the insides of the asteroid, I am somewhat confused with the fact I bought a ship and would expect the ship to have mining lasers on it, where I sit in my captains chair, watching the pretty light show and my hold fills with ore, Like Eve back in the day.
Am I doing it wrong? or is it set up then you have to fly that yellow peril and do it all by hand?
Thanks

I think we were all hoping to mine from main ship and not use some space scuba sub. it's different for sure.

[djinnxy]

Originally posted by ChromeTainted:

Originally posted by vanishing:

So, I tried mining last night, went and got the ship, you then have to basically hover the insides of the asteroid, I am somewhat confused with the fact I bought a ship and would expect the ship to have mining lasers on it, where I sit in my captains chair, watching the pretty light show and my hold fills with ore, Like Eve back in the day.
Am I doing it wrong? or is it set up then you have to fly that yellow peril and do it all by hand?
Thanks

I think we were all hoping to mine from main ship and not use some space scuba sub. it's different for sure.

I don't mind that, but it should be more profitable to go through the hassle. It isn't. It is easier and faster to get it in a pit. And that is not to say that mining in a pit needs a nerf. That should remain profitable.

[ChromeTainted]

Originally posted by djinnxy:

I don't mind that, but it should be more profitable to go through the hassle. It isn't. It is easier and faster to get it in a pit. And that is not to say that mining in a pit needs a nerf. That should remain profitable.

Yeah I totally agree with you. Guess will just have to wait and see.

Just had a quick test in game,sad to see that you have to relog after mining to get rid of the window of the last asteroid you mined.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by ChromeTainted:

Just wanted to give some information on what I know about mining so far,asides from the fact it is so broken as of current build.

You will see also there's talents for COMPRESSOR which supposedly gives you more money when you compress stacks. Tier one gives 60% more money and tier 2 gives 100% more money. I can confirm these do not work in current state of game.

Unfortunately I selected the Compressor talent before reading your post. I tried it out

1) Compressing stacks does not reduce the space the ore takes up in your cargo space
2) Compressing actually reduces the sale price by 50%.

[ChromeTainted]

Originally posted by Grimalken:

Originally posted by ChromeTainted:

Just wanted to give some information on what I know about mining so far,asides from the fact it is so broken as of current build.

You will see also there's talents for COMPRESSOR which supposedly gives you more money when you compress stacks. Tier one gives 60% more money and tier 2 gives 100% more money. I can confirm these do not work in current state of game.

Unfortunately I selected the Compressor talent before reading your post. I tried it out

1) Compressing stacks does not reduce the space the ore takes up in your cargo space
2) Compressing actually reduces the sale price by 50%.

Oh I never noticed the price difference in compressed. But I also have the tier 2 Compressor perk so I should be getting 100% more. Anyway I will do some testing and see.


Just mined for a bit and here's the results.

Basically there's no difference between compressed ore and uncompressed ore. Both prices and weight are same values.
This also proves that the compressor perk is not working.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by ChromeTainted:

Originally posted by Grimalken:

Unfortunately I selected the Compressor talent before reading your post. I tried it out

1) Compressing stacks does not reduce the space the ore takes up in your cargo space
2) Compressing actually reduces the sale price by 50%.

Oh I never noticed the price difference in compressed. But I also have the tier 2 Compressor perk so I should be getting 100% more. Anyway I will do some testing and see.


Just mined for a bit and here's the results.

Basically there's no difference between compressed ore and uncompressed ore. Both prices and weight are same values.
This also proves that the compressor perk is not working.

It's definitely broken.

I have the tier 1 perk and it's actually making the ore worth less. I gathered 226,799 m3 Wolfram ore, and sold them. Compressed sold for $1,428,027, uncompressed sold for $2,855,979.

[ChromeTainted]

Originally posted by Grimalken:

It's definitely broken.

I have the tier 1 perk and it's actually making the ore worth less. I gathered 226,799 m3 Wolfram ore, and sold them. Compressed sold for $1,428,027, uncompressed sold for $2,855,979.

Hurry and get tier 2 then lol

[JimboTCB]

Why would you think compressing is supposed to make stuff more valuable? It's intended to make it take less cargo space at the penalty of losing some value (with the tier 1 perk at least) so you can gather more total loot in one run. If the volume compression isn't working either that's a separate issue, but it seemed pretty clear to me that it's supposed to be a space saver rather than a profit boost.

[ChromeTainted]

If you actually read the perk in game you would see it's nothing to do with compressing. It's supposed to give you more PAY.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by JimboTCB:

Why would you think compressing is supposed to make stuff more valuable? It's intended to make it take less cargo space at the penalty of losing some value (with the tier 1 perk at least) so you can gather more total loot in one run. If the volume compression isn't working either that's a separate issue, but it seemed pretty clear to me that it's supposed to be a space saver rather than a profit boost.

I think the reason is that when the ore is uncompressed it's in a bulk form, with a lot of gravel and dust mixed in with it. The process of compressing it is actually melting it down and getting rid of the impurities. Now it's a more pure form. The buyer is happy because now they get a purer form of ore, and it takes up less storage space.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by ChromeTainted:

If you actually read the perk in game you would see it's nothing to do with compressing. It's supposed to give you more PAY.

The perk descriptions says:

Adds compress ability which you can compress stack items to a single crate with less weight and +60% price of the total stack.

So it's supposed to reduce the space the ore takes up in the cargo space, meaning you can now mine even more ore.

[Tenryuta]

i have p1 of compress as well, i assume the price of compressed is lower than 50% by design, raising it to about 60% instead of whatever the unperked price is, then 100% with the p2 perk.

[Grimalken]

Originally posted by Tenryuta:

i have p1 of compress as well, i assume the price of compressed is lower than 50% by design, raising it to about 60% instead of whatever the unperked price is, then 100% with the p2 perk.

I don't think it's by design. Why would they give you a perk that reduces the sale price of ore by 50%?

This perk is so broken, I just found a T4 "Stellar Enhone Burner" for sale, that has a Primary Item Bonus that says:

"%0 Increases Cargo Compressor efficiency."

The perk is so broken that even modules that are suppose to boost it's efficiency, are not working

[Evlboy]

Here's a little script for AutoHotkey that I've been using to mine, It will basically toggle RMB-LMB, I bind it on my Mouse 4 button but you can bind it to any key you want. Just replace XButton1 with whatever key you want. You press it once to activate and again to deactivate.
"toggle_on := 0
#MaxThreadsPerHotkey 2

*$XButton1::
toggle_on := !toggle_on
if (toggle_on){
Send {Blind}{RButton Down}
Sleep 100
Send {Blind}{LButton Down}
} else {
Send {Blind}{RButton Up}
Send {Blind}{LButton Up}
}
return

*$XButton1 Up::
; Block release events, do nothing
return"