Mining As Is

[ChromeTainted]

Just wanted to give some information on what I know about mining so far,asides from the fact it is so broken as of current build.

ORES AND VALUES PER UNIT (UPDATED)
ASORTAK / ZOKAL $22500 7 XP ZOKAL is the name of ore on an asteroid that contain ASORTAK. (ASSORTED ASTEROIDS NOW GIVE ASTORAK,ONLY TESTED 2 ASTEROIDS SO DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS)
WOLFRAM / VOKAL $8200 6 XP VOKAL Is the name of ore on an asteroid that contains WOLFRAM.
PLATINUM $3050 5 X

I have not updated prices on the 4 ores below aas it does not seem releveant( worthless)
but it's roughly double the prices shown.
NIKEL $550 4 XP
GOLD $1200 3 XP
IRON $500 2 XP
COAL $250 1 XP

ORE LOCATIONS
There are 3 sources of gathering ores.

1. Flying across a planet until you spot an ore on the ground.These are quite spread out and to find the type you want can be time consuming.

2.going in Pits on planets.Here you get random ores each time you go in and at the end of every 3 levels there will be a boss to fight.Also some pits are bugged as you can fall down through the ground when going through doorways,you will see sometimes a tear in the map on the floor in doorways.You can jump these sometimes.,depending on the height of the door and size of the tear in the map.

3.Asteroid fields.By far the best of the 3 choices. Just fly around and there's tons of ore all around you.

MINING TOOLS
Currently as far as I know there are only two ways to mine.

First is using a hand mining laser which you get when you join the guild.

Second is a mining ship which you can buy at level 1 mining and costs 906,462 TY. This can only be used in asteroid fields.

The mining laser is by far superior to using a ship for mining.Which in reality makes no sense.A Ship should be far superior over a hand laser.

HOW TO MINE
USING HAND LASER - when on ground you just basically walk over to the ore you wish to mine and press TAB, this will bring out your laser.To mine you simply hold down both mouse buttons.When pointed at an ore you can see what type of ore it contains by moving cursor around the ore( preferably the coloured parts)
Your mining laser has a few options. you will notice it has two bars that says efficiency and power. The higher the power the more you will mine faster and burn through the rock. Efficiency is what gives you more yield from ores.
You can move the sliders by pressing H and hovering over the said sliders and scrolling with mouse or you can just hold both mouse buttons down and scroll.
When mining ideally you want 99% efficiency and 0 power.
There's a few bugs where sometimes you could be mining an asteroid and you need to relocate by flying or just having to put your laser away and once you reuse even though it says 99%efficiency and 0 power it will have both so you tear through ores like no tomorrow. Just scroll each time you pull your laser out and this will fix it correctly.
You can also press F which gives some type of burrowing ball. I think it's supposed to be a bomb. can be useful later on when mining asteroids. just note that it destroys ores it burrows through.

USING SHIP - You first need to equip your ship with 3 items you buy from mining guilds.
MIsactor Systems,Gatherer and Mining Laser.Once purchased all 3 of these you put them in your mining ship.to do this enter your ship Press F for services and at bottom right go to the MISACTOR tab and put in your 3 parts.
Now you just fly to a asteroid field find the asteroid you want to mine(preffably Zokal, will go more into this later)
once found aquired ore you fly near it and press 4 to use mining drone aka Misactor. you will then fly a small drone to which you fly over to the asteroid and begin mining. To use this form of mining you press LEFT MOUSE BUTTON to mine and RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON to collect/hoover up the ores you have mined. bare in mind there is a distance limit at which you can collect the ore so if it's not moving when you try and collect it then you must move closer. As you level up you can get better tier mods for improving this distance.
You can bore into the asteroid using this mining vessel by pressing MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON this will burrow into an asteroid for some distance but be warned it will delete any ores in it's path. Also you can fly your craft through the gap that is made. You only have a few charges of these. I belive using a white mod gives you 4 uses and purple 6 and yellow I presume will be 8 .(not used yellow / legendary yet as I have not got round to installing)
you can refresh these charges by going back to your ship and docking and then undock again and carry on mining.
When mining with a ship this way you can get up to 3 ores but you only get XP for 1. Again kind of broken.

EARNINGS FROM MINING .(UPDATE) station tax is now 28.5% which is not as bad as previously mentioned below.
I say earnings but in current state of game it's really not what I would call earnings.
The mining guild will take a deduction from all ores. At lvl 1 you lose 15% of all sales, lvl 2 you lose 10% and at lvl 4 you lose 5%. sound better the more you level but the real mining killer is station tax which is around 50% of all ores.
Mining for hours only to have half the profits vanish is just plain stupid, I mean what's the point in guild reductions of 15%,10% and 5% if 50% is taken from station tax. In my opinion station tax should be not be there.

MINING LEVELS AND BENEFITS

LVL 1 mining gives you access to white tier mods for your mining ship. Also the mining ship
LVL 2 mining gives you purple mods for your ship
LVL 3 mining gives you access to yellow / legendary mods for your ship.

If you look in the guild tab for mining it says you get access to more mining lasers and ships but in current state of game you do not. as for the % cut in ores per level it is irrelevant as mentioned above.station tax is 50% of all sales.

TALENTS / PERKS
Mining will give you small amounts of ADVENTURER XP per ore mined.
If you look under your ADVENTURER tab at the talents you can get, there are a few for mining. Apparently if you put points in coordination it effects mining. I presume it is to do with yield but if it works or not is another thing.
You will see also there's talents for COMPRESSOR which supposedly gives you more money when you compress stacks. Tier one gives 60% more money and tier 2 gives 100% more money. I can confirm these do not work in current state of game.
So If you do decide to mine I would highly suggest taking the MORE EXPERIENCE perk.This gives you at tier 1 10% of XP from soldier and pilot classes and tier 2 gives you 30 % which is quite good for doing nothing. Ideally if I restarted I would get mining to lvl 3 first and get tier 2 of the XP perk. there are a lot of other useful perks if you look for yourself.

I know you can get adventurer points from EXPLORERS GUILD but by taking these perks first is kind of a no brainer and I say this because you can get these points for essentially free.I will explain below.

HOW TO MINE- THE EASY WAY
How do you mine easily?? IT's simple AFK mine.
How does one AFK mine. It's simple you basically fly to an asteroid field and you search nearest asteroids to the waypoint marker you just landed on and fly around until you find ZOKAL/ASORTAK or VOKAL/WOLFRAM if you find either of these your good. These two will always be directly next to each other. If you find ZOKAL first no need to search any more but if you find VOKAL then just scan asteroids directly next to it and one will be ZOKAL. sometimes I have found two ZOKAL next to each other. If having a hard time finding them just fly back to the asteroid way point where you landed and then fly out again , only searching nearest astroids to way point.
Once found Zokal you will want to use your mining ship and fly over to the asteroid in your MISACTOR . The thing with ZOKAL is it's a very small amount in the asteroid and i mean very small indeed.It will always be in the centre of the asteroid.To get to this you will want to use the Burrow function on your ship but you must be careful because using this function can DESTROY all the ZOKAL / ASTORAK you are looking for
Line up your ship so you are sort of facing the centre of the asteroid and then go move your pointer just off centre,lets say go left of centre just a bit, by doing this you will not destroy all of the ore.You now want to press MIDDLE MOUSE to bore into the asteroid.You will want to fire twice in the same place.then you can fly in and see if you can see any hints of green ore. If you see ore then stop.
If you do not see ore then go back out and slowly burrow closer to the middle/right of last bore holes remember you need to fire twice to reach middle.
If you run out of bore charges return to ship and it will reload your bore count.
Once found green ore you require you simply park your Misactor back on the ship and exit ship by holding G,then fly into the asteroid and begin mining.


HOW TO AFK MINE
Now to AFK mine. You basically have to hold down both mouse buttons and set efficiency to 99% and aim at a single spot of ore.How to hold down two mouse buttons. I used sellotape/ sticky tape. you can also put some kind of weights on your buttons, change key binds and weigh those down or jam them in with paper lol or just make a macro I just had tape at hand and chose that option as it was faster for me than setting up a macro.
Because the efficiency is set to 99% and power is 0% it will not damage the ore so you can mine one spot for ever.

PROFITABLE ? (UPDATED)
At the end of the day you will make about 10 mill I think roughly every 8 hours, give or take,I can't remember exact numbers.
IS IT WORTH IT?
Yes for AFK money and adventurer points and that's about it.Easier way to make money below.
since last few updates you can now probably get 20mill every 8 hours. I will test later to confirm.

MINING SHIP IS GOOD FOR ?
The only thing this ship in current state is good for is going to loot villages,simply because of the amount of storage slots it has.You can farm 2 villages at a time on a planet( but note that once you raid a village on a planet you can never raid it again,so make sure you always raid different villages)
This is by far the easiest way to make money in the game if you go to areas where the levels are at least 20 - 30 levels above your soldier level you get much more money from the NPC's defending because they drop higher level loot and is worth a lot more than lower levels.Just make sure you have a sniper rifle and stand well back and just head shot them all. takes a minute to learn the swaying of the weapon but it's really just patience.


I think that covers the majority of it, If I have missed anything please let me know.

Good luck to you all and happy Mining / village pillaging.

[Lorthondo]

thx4guide :-*

[Faptor]

Originally posted by ChromeTainted:

HOW TO AFK MINE
Now to AFK mine. How to hold down two mouse buttons. I used sellotape/ sticky tape.
Good luck to you all and happy Mining / village pillaging.

Man, I did this exact same thing hahaha
Im so glad im not alone.

The things we do for tasty profits xD

Good guide btw! ty.

[JamesJB]

To be honest I think the Mining ship is better for mining, On planet using the hand mining laser it seems getting ore takes a million years compared to the mining ship.

[TooLateToTalk]

I agree with everything. I don't like the mining system on the ship at all. I dislike the little transport and it makes no sense to mine and suck it up.. Its just makes it not fun.

[Tenryuta]

every time someone says x ore is worth x, last time went planet running in huqe it didnt show ore info when i passed one by, im in maradur still, and colors make it easy to know whether to pop out or not, so:asortak green, wolfram purple, everything else crap, and not even at L20 soldier, a quick village run nets me 3mil, limiting pickup by price to 80-100k TY minimum, so 3~m for 10-15 minutes, 30-50 slots used.

[Andreas Spanakis]

You can bore into the asteroid using this mining vessel by pressing MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON this will burrow into an asteroid for some distance but be warned it will delete any ores in it's path.

This is the default behavior of middle mouse click. But it has 2 more options. Use scroll-wheel of mouse to change this.
Second option will launch mini probes. These bugs will slowly travel inside the asteroid heading to the nearest ore vein. As soon as they reach it, you will loose sight of them, they will deactivate. So keep an eye on their heading and start digging towards their last known location.
Third option is a bomb. Point where you want them to explode, press middle button and wait 2-3 seconds. They will remove a large circular chunk of the asteroid, occasionally yielding some ore - but most times they will destroy everything, including precious ore - be warned.

[Lorthondo]

Originally posted by Andreas Spanakis:

You can bore into the asteroid using this mining vessel by pressing MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON this will burrow into an asteroid for some distance but be warned it will delete any ores in it's path.

This is the default behavior of middle mouse click. But it has 2 more options. Use scroll-wheel of mouse to change this.
Second option will launch mini probes. These bugs will slowly travel inside the asteroid heading to the nearest ore vein. As soon as they reach it, you will loose sight of them, they will deactivate. So keep an eye on their heading and start digging towards their last known location.
Third option is a bomb. Point where you want them to explode, press middle button and wait 2-3 seconds. They will remove a large circular chunk of the asteroid, occasionally yielding some ore - but most times they will destroy everything, including precious ore - be warned.

regarding the WORMS:
"I would look at any engineer in disbelief if I were presented with this solution for a sensor:
Yes correct, the sensor switches off when it has found something. If you are not looking at the moment, it is of course stupid.
How do you find it again? Well, you have to dig until you have line of sight to the sensor again..."

The other way it would totally make sense:
The sensors (WORMS) get visible at once they have contact to ore
or they change color
or they beep/blink for some seconds before switching off
or they leave a visible marker at the asteroids model in the down right screen.

I would imagine it to be fun to plant these worms in several asteroids and swirl around in my ship to get back to those ready with exploration, deciding if it´s worth to do it myself or let a drone do the work.

BTW - some kind of placeable beacon would be nice to find back to visited asteroids.

And I would prefer to have mixed ressources per asteroid:
more surprise - more satisfaction - more colors - less minmax (farm only the most profitable)

[ChromeTainted]

Originally posted by Andreas Spanakis:

You can bore into the asteroid using this mining vessel by pressing MIDDLE MOUSE BUTTON this will burrow into an asteroid for some distance but be warned it will delete any ores in it's path.

This is the default behavior of middle mouse click. But it has 2 more options. Use scroll-wheel of mouse to change this.
Second option will launch mini probes. These bugs will slowly travel inside the asteroid heading to the nearest ore vein. As soon as they reach it, you will loose sight of them, they will deactivate. So keep an eye on their heading and start digging towards their last known location.
Third option is a bomb. Point where you want them to explode, press middle button and wait 2-3 seconds. They will remove a large circular chunk of the asteroid, occasionally yielding some ore - but most times they will destroy everything, including precious ore - be warned.

I was wondering how to trigger those things. Thanks for the info.

[Tracey]

Originally posted by Lorthondo:

The other way it would totally make sense:
The sensors (WORMS) get visible at once they have contact to ore
or they change color
or they beep/blink for some seconds before switching off
or they leave a visible marker at the asteroids model in the down right screen.

BTW - some kind of placeable beacon would be nice to find back to visited asteroids.

The Worms turn red for me and stand still if they found some ore, part blocking me from mining too. Took me a while to understand what they are doing.

A Beacon would not work since the Asteroid field reset each time you visit, same if you save and load. When loading you float in space with no asteroid around you, if you saved inside one.

Currently there seems no way to rank up because I get no 'mission' for that when talking with the person about the Rank. If I keep mining I get to rank 2, but without the rank up bonus, like the ship or the mining tool. The console for rank 2 works fine, but only gives upgrades for the Misactor.

[Tenryuta]

Edit:huqe cant equip the tools, prob already known, but i had to try, needed to upgrade the msiactor anyway so i lost nothing>:)

can the huqe use mining laser and vacuum directly or just misactor:/(still havent bother to check to which weapons it can and cant use, currently rails are unequippable)

[TooLateToTalk]

Question Made Legendary Status and their was no Tier 3 ship. And I still haven't seen a level 2 or three 3 personal mining laser at the mining stations. Are they not in the game yet?

[Tracey]

Originally posted by TooLateToTalk:

Question Made Legendary Status and their was no Tier 3 ship. And I still haven't seen a level 2 or three 3 personal mining laser at the mining stations. Are they not in the game yet?

Originally posted by Tracey:

Currently there seems no way to rank up because I get no 'mission' for that when talking with the person person about the Rank. If I keep mining I get to rank 2, but without the rank up bonus, like the ship or the mining tool. The console for rank 2 works fine, but only gives upgrades for the Misactor.

[JamesJB]

Originally posted by Tracey:

Originally posted by TooLateToTalk:

Question Made Legendary Status and their was no Tier 3 ship. And I still haven't seen a level 2 or three 3 personal mining laser at the mining stations. Are they not in the game yet?

Originally posted by Tracey:

Currently there seems no way to rank up because I get no 'mission' for that when talking with the person person about the Rank. If I keep mining I get to rank 2, but without the rank up bonus, like the ship or the mining tool. The console for rank 2 works fine, but only gives upgrades for the Misactor.

Meh hope this isnt True I want a Advanced Mining ship and the T3 Mining Laser,it says it in the description for the T3 Rank :( I really hope they are in.

Plus once I got the T3 Mining ship I was gonna go to the Hanger and upgrade the ship with Tiers etc.

If there is no T2 or T3 Mining Ships no point in trying to get mining guild rank to 3 :(

[Lorthondo]

Originally posted by Lorthondo:

The other way it would totally make sense:
The sensors (WORMS) get visible at once they have contact to ore
or they change color
or they beep/blink for some seconds before switching off
or they leave a visible marker at the asteroids model in the down right screen.

Originally posted by Tracey:

The Worms turn red for me and stand still if they found some ore, part blocking me from mining too. Took me a while to understand what they are doing.

They turn red for me also, but they aren´t visible through the stone for me then - they just get invisible without line of sight.

Originally posted by Lorthondo:

BTW - some kind of placeable beacon would be nice to find back to visited asteroids.

Originally posted by Tracey:

A Beacon would not work since the Asteroid field reset each time you visit, same if you save and load. When loading you float in space with no asteroid around you, if you saved inside one.

I fly around and scan the asteroids and after may be 20 coal rocks I start to think, that those gold ore one isn´t that bad as I first thought - but I won´t be able to find it among all the others. This "plate" with the scan results shows when I hover the mouse, but I can´t keep in mind, which 20 rocks I scanned.

[Wolfoot]

One thing I notice when mining asteroid.
The mining laser has ticks and after a certain time the last tick generate a chunk of asteroid we have to attract to gather.
The last tick item give what chunk is given.
If you tick on Ore you get Ore, if you tick on rock, you get stone.
So, when carving around the Ore in an asteroid, start with the stone around the Ore and finish with the ore itself to get the Ore to gather.

It should be better with an average or just a real calc of the Ore mined...