Railway Empire 2

Railway Empire 2

Issac Brock 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 5:46
Warehouse mechanic absolutely destroys all the fun in this game !
I've tried everything to get the warehouse to share with the city even thought the pricey game manual says " in practice" the warehouses shares goods with other warehouses located in the same city.

Even when I am running three stations to handle resources from north, south and east-west I still end up not being able to get goods to flow to certain cities because they are not on the right route.

I even tired interconnecting stations with track to see if the warehouse would share routes but nope, only trains entering and leaving that particular station can receive and deposit warehouse freight.

Edit: I did at one time try manually routing all the freight but if you change or extend a gridiron on any station on that route it breaks the route. If that were not the case I would have pursued this idea of not using warehouses.

Edit #2. Further discussions have led me to consider in an A-B-C station set up to NOT build any maintenance depots in B and build only warehouses and locate the maintenance depots in both A and C. I can now see that with a small amount of planning supplying 4 factories per city and shipping the output from those factories should be possible and fun.

My only concern is that there may be some engine stacking awaiting maintenance but I will have to wait and see. I intend to start a new game and try this idea out. I will get back to this post and let everyone know how it is working out.
最后由 Issac Brock 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 2 日 下午 2:00
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Mudfog 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:13 
check this out>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjrPmWfGbpk&list=PLLm2bFegFTr1A2BBbR07yg1ULVZxmVKL_&index=3

The warehouses in a city will transfer goods between themselves as long a you have the particular goods you want them to transfer enabled in both or all warehouses.
最后由 Mudfog 编辑于; 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:17
Frost 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:44 
Hello. Short version:

- If there's a good already being shipped into city A, then a warehouse on a station in city A, with that good marked, and any train that comes to city A on that train station, and needs that good, will get it (if you're able to supply enough).

- If you build a warehouse on a station in city A with that good marked, then city B will pick up that good from city A if it's needed but only from that train station that has the warehouse on it with the good marked, not any other train station. If on that exact same station in city B you build a warehouse and mark it with the same good, now city C can pick up that good from city B, but again only on that one station. However, if you want the good to switch from one train station to another in one city, you'll need a warehouse on BOTH stations with the good marked on both, and it will do it.

All that said, I'm at a point where I don't even use warehouses and I just ship the material through multiple cities with one train route because the warehouses are too expensive.

It would be similar to being forced to buy a train station with all 8 tracks (400,000) only to use one track - why should I have to pay $$ for a warehouse with 6 slots if I'm only going to use one slot at first - should be 1/6 the price, and then make me pay more for more warehouse space / slots if I need it later, just like you pay for each track in a train station later.
Mudfog 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:54 
引用自 Frost
All that said, I'm at a point where I don't even use warehouses and I just ship the material through multiple cities with one train route because the warehouses are too expensive.

I am going to try and play Scenario 6 without using warehouses at all. The original RE did not have warehouses so it must be possible. We will see.
最后由 Mudfog 编辑于; 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 6:54
coenvijge 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 7:34 
引用自 Frost
All that said, I'm at a point where I don't even use warehouses and I just ship the material through multiple cities with one train route because the warehouses are too expensive.

I'll try the next one also without warehouses. Must be possible imo.
Frost 2023 年 6 月 30 日 下午 7:43 
引用自 Mudfog
I am going to try and play Scenario 6 without using warehouses at all. The original RE did not have warehouses so it must be possible. We will see.
In RE1, if the source of a good was too far away from a city that needed it, the city had too low of a "limiit" on the number max number of goods you could ship to the city, and you'd reach that limit with all the goods still on trains on the way there. So you'd have to make a warehouse near the city so I could run more trains and get the goods there faster since the warehouse had a much higher cap, and as they were needed they'd get to the city quickly from there. If it wasn't for that, I may not have used warehouses in RE1, except as an extra connection to a city perhaps.

I haven't had that issue in RE2 (yet). I think they raised the number of goods you can ship to / store at a city.

I'll still experiment with warehouses to find specific uses for them. I'm more interested in fun than in breaking scores and for me it's fun to try different things.

The map looks like a potential basement HO-layout as you're building it. It's a shame you can't spend much time following trains around and enjoying the visuals because you need to keep building from a zoomed out view.
iProfessore 2023 年 7 月 1 日 上午 6:14 
The title of this thread is correct 100%
coenvijge 2023 年 7 月 1 日 上午 6:29 
引用自 iProfessore
The title of this thread is correct 100%
Yes, but it's only true in case you don't know how they work in this game.
Issac Brock 2023 年 7 月 1 日 上午 10:33 
引用自 coenvijge
引用自 iProfessore
The title of this thread is correct 100%
Yes, but it's only true in case you don't know how they work in this game.

Think of threes stations in a row. A - B - C. A recerves 4 resources and warehouses them to send to B. C receives 4 resources and warehouses them to send to B. All the resources sent to B would require 8 warehouses and only 6 are available. Even if you build another station, since you have to duplicate the warehouses you are still unable to send some freight "on down the line".

Now you might try and mitigate this problem by setting up routes for the two extra set of resources and that's what I initially did but as soon as you change a single gridiron anywhere along the route it breaks the route and the only way to route resources is to manually select cargo and freight and that has to be reset when the route breaks so that kills just about any fun in the game.

Duplicating stock in several warehouses is not warehouse sharing by the way it's duplicating warehouse services.

So you think I don't like this game because I haven't tried to figure it out? No, I don't like it in it's current state because the warehouse mechanics are horrendous and not well thought out!!
最后由 Issac Brock 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 1 日 上午 10:33
iProfessore 2023 年 7 月 1 日 上午 11:15 
I doubt the devs even care what people think. i see no remarks here from them at all
Dray Prescot 2023 年 7 月 1 日 上午 11:57 
Warehouses ONLY send Goods by using a Train to get them there. PERIOD, END OF STATEMENT. (NO Exceptions).

Warehouses in RE 2 DO NOT WORK LIKE THEY DID IN RE 1.

They are way to transfer goods from one train to another train going to a DIFFERENT Location, than the location of the Warehouse.

Warehouses ONLY send goods to ANYTHING IF they have a Train heading to that location from the Warehouse, if that train can take additional Rail Cars.

If you want goods to go to a City from a Warehouse so they can be consumed AT that City, then that Warehouse HAS to be Located in a Station located in a different City or in a Rural location.

IF you want goods to GO TO a City the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY way to get them there is to SEND a TRAIN TO THAT CITY carrying those Goods with a Stop at a Station of that City.

The only way to get the Goods INTO that Warehouse, if it is located in a Station belonging to a City, is by having a Train have a Route that delivers those Goods to the Station, i.e. the goods will only end up in the Warehouse IF the Station/City says I already have all of that good that I need for my internal City Storage facilities, for which they paid the fee to you for delivering them to the City, so anything left over can be used to go other Cities, with their Destinations already determined when they left their Source/Production location

If the Warehouse is located in a Rural Station NEARBY the City, then the Goods have NOT been delivered TO the City, and you still have to have another Train take them from the Warehouse to a Station IN the City.

That is ALL you can do with Warehouses in RE 2.

Warehouses NEVER send Goods to a City without using a train to deliver them.

Goods will not even be sent to the Warehouse, UNLESS you ALREADY have a Train Route established that goes from the Warehouse to Destination (or another Warehouse that already has a Train Route going to that Destination, etc.)

IF you try to get Goods out of a Warehouse by Removing that Good from the list of 6 Goods that can be stored there, those Goods ALL go back to where ever they originally came from. They do not go to the nearest City.
最后由 Dray Prescot 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 12:21
Dray Prescot 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 12:24 
to @iProfessore look at the new Railway Academy forum thread that is Pinned at the start of this Forum that was posted on 20 June. Read the Tips and Tricks in RE 2, read the Strategy Guides, play the Tutorials.

They have told us several times how RE 2 Warehouses work, and Players still think or want them to work like they did in RE 1.

This same objection keeps happening again and again and again in the Steam Forum, they have already responded to it. see the PINNED Messages.
最后由 Dray Prescot 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 12:32
Issac Brock 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 1:15 
引用自 Dray Prescot
to @iProfessore look at the new Railway Academy forum thread that is Pinned at the start of this Forum that was posted on 20 June. Read the Tips and Tricks in RE 2, read the Strategy Guides, play the Tutorials.

They have told us several times how RE 2 Warehouses work, and Players still think or want them to work like they did in RE 1.

This same objection keeps happening again and again and again in the Steam Forum, they have already responded to it. see the PINNED Messages.

No, I don't want them to work like they did in RE1. I want them to work like they said they worked in the manual. The manual states that warehouses share goods between them in the same city but this is ONLY true if you duplicate the items in each warehouse.To me that is duplicating warehouse services not warehouse shareing.

Think of a city that has two train stations, you manufacture sweatshirts and have a warehouse near your factory. When you want to ship out items do you go and build another warehouse or do you simply deliver the goods from the warehouse you already own in the city to the two stations. Building two warehouses and maintaining them is NOT more efficient than having one warehouse deliver to two train stations! In real life that would make absolutely zero sense.

Their warehouses need more capacity. What is the sense of having a city support 4 or more industries when it's a struggle to simply supply three industries because of their restrictive warehouse policies. Why is the AI building industries that don't have a hope of ever getting any resources?
editbayrat 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 7:06 
引用自 Issac Brock
引用自 Dray Prescot

No, I don't want them to work like they did in RE1. I want them to work like they said they worked in the manual. The manual states that warehouses share goods between them in the same city but this is ONLY true if you duplicate the items in each warehouse.To me that is duplicating warehouse services not warehouse shareing.
Let me make sure I understand you correctly: you want warehouses to store items that aren't selected for storage in that warehouse? How would that even work? If I've got one warehouse that stores wheat and one that doesn't have wheat selected but stores wheat anyway, how do I know it's storing wheat? And how much?

In this game, warehouses aren't independent, they are extensions of a station. Everything that goes in or out of a particular warehouse must go through the station. That's it. It's not complicated. What it boils down to is you want a different game. Try and remember that just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense.
stagehand__18 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 8:23 
yes warehouses are confusing. I get the concept and theory described, but for me they are "hit or miss". Sometimes things work, and sometimes they don't. I don't know why. Everything looks like it SHOULD work, but it just doesn't. The limit of 6 products is annoying because you could place a rural warehouse that needs 4 products to go in one direction and 4 other products to go the other way. Sometimes it's just easier to send a direct freight across 2 or 3 other cities to get the resource. Sometimes you have to use a slot in a warehouse for a product 3 or 4 cities away, then there is no room for a slot for a different product right next door.

It is vexing to me that since stations only have 2 "slots" that they can fill that those 2 are almost always have to be used by Maintenance and Warehouse, there is no room for post office or hotel or restaurant. Seems to me a train station should automatically have maintenance and warehouse and post office built in.

Perhaps City stations and Rural stations should be different? I have a resource in City A and a demand in City B and a rail connection. City B gets the resource. If I add a station in between, probably to get a different resource, now City B does not get their resource unless you add a warehouse and use a slot to store the goods City A was already giving them.

god it's confusing. Just when I think I understand it, turns out I do not.
Issac Brock 2023 年 7 月 1 日 下午 9:06 
引用自 editbayrat
引用自 Issac Brock
Let me make sure I understand you correctly: you want warehouses to store items that aren't selected for storage in that warehouse? How would that even work? If I've got one warehouse that stores wheat and one that doesn't have wheat selected but stores wheat anyway, how do I know it's storing wheat? And how much?

In this game, warehouses aren't independent, they are extensions of a station. Everything that goes in or out of a particular warehouse must go through the station. That's it. It's not complicated. What it boils down to is you want a different game. Try and remember that just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense.

Right because in real life you always build a second factory rather than just have your delivery trucks deliver to two different stations. What it boils down to is your happy playing a game that has no basis in reality! Remember just cause something makes sense to youi it doesn't mean it makes sense.
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