10% discount is an insult.

[Jin Mack]

The game is too expensive, and here was your chance to get more fans and more customers, especially the ones who couldn't afford the game for financial reasons, but your literally so greedy you picked the smallest amount for a discount when almost every single other game on my wishlist is 40 to 70% discounted.

I would have purchased this game for me and my dad, and then whatever DLC we all know your going to charge $40 for, but now, you know what, i refuse to support greedy companies like this, they don't deserve a fan base, and they don't deserve my cash. Its clear to see this is only a rehash of the previous game just with a few graphical upgrades, even the tech screen is the exact same, you required jack-all coding or designing, yet you act like this took you 10,000 hours of dedicated design work with the price you put up.

Your off my wishlist, and i wont be buying this game even when you beg to me with a 90% discount after its aged a few years. Hope it was worth it. And here i was following progress of this game, talking on forums, giving feedback, i was an actual fan. Goodbye.

[Jin Mack]

I respect your opinion, but that statement makes no sense logically.

If that were true then why would companies ever give a discount, just to be nice to us?
Its to increase sales and reach a part of the market (like low income earners) that they couldn't reach beforehand. Which in turn, increases popularity of the product through word of mouth and extra usage, for example, more twitch streamers using the product.

[gardlt]

Don't forget that steam takes a sizeable chunk. I heard 30%. Maybe some companies have special deals or whatever. But at 30% that would be about $31ish dollars for them. I'm not sure they broke even on the game yet. From the leaderboard length/achievements comparison it looks like 30-40k "confirmed" sales. Rumored funding from the German government was $1.5M. We could only guess how much of their own money they put in on top of this. They said in an official video that it's the most expensive game they ever made.

Honestly, if the price is a problem, wait for better discounts, maybe the end of the year. The game isn't ready for the on-the-fence players yet. The first item on the roadmap is 100+ bugfixes. So, we are in some sense playing a "beta" still. I mean, we can complain, but Windows is the big elephant in the room on this. The keen players can tolerate more "less serious" bugs, but for the more casual ones, that could be a fast downvote/refund. Railway Empire 1 had a big step about 6 months after release when proper branching etc. was added. I'm hopeful for a similar step here. There should be a discount around year end, and the game will be better too.

[w.f.schepel]

OP, I am sure you'd like to take a 70% haircut on your wages, because everybody deserves you to work at a huge discount - after all, the quality of work you deliver is nothing to write home about.

(The game is so 'expensive' I just bought a second copy to gift it to my best mate.)

[Jin Mack]

Thanks for your insult bro, and your brag about being better than me.

Kinda sad you lack the intelligence to give an actual debatable response tho, poor fella.

[General Tso]

My suggestion to the original poster: If you can't afford the game. Then find something you can afford and have fun doing that. Life is much better that way.

I was on a day trip recently. The place I went to had large yachts all over the place. I was admiring them and thinking how I would love to own one. Of course it ain't happening. But I'm not going to sit around and mope about it.

[coenvijge]

Jin Maq lähetti viestin:

Thanks for your insult bro, and your brag about being better than me.

Kinda sad you lack the intelligence to give an actual debatable response tho, poor fella.

I'm not sure if schepel is insulting you, but you sure are insulting him/her.

[Tsubame ⭐]

Jin Maq lähetti viestin:

I respect your opinion, but that statement makes no sense logically.

If that were true then why would companies ever give a discount, just to be nice to us?
Its to increase sales and reach a part of the market (like low income earners) that they couldn't reach beforehand. Which in turn, increases popularity of the product through word of mouth and extra usage, for example, more twitch streamers using the product.

Companies do not give discounts to "be nice", they give discounts to sell more.

Any new product sells the most at release time, so in general, companies do not give discounts at release, or discounts are rather low and/or inbuilt in product cost.

As fewer people buy products at full price, then, and only then, it makes sense to offer deeper discounts.

[jhughes]

Sarsgamer lähetti viestin:

Obstinate lähetti viestin:

RE1 is very cheap right now. Also a great game. If you can't swing the $50, go grab that one instead!

Yea I was going to say the same thing. I haven't ever bought the DLCs for it though as it didn't look like they add much for the campaign mode, which is what I liked in RE1. I'm considering it now though with the sale. I've already grabbed 5 or 6 other games during the sale though and looking for more heh.

I sort of side with the OP. 10% isn't really a discount in my mind. It's a discount if you were already planning to buy it at full price.

RE1 DLCs add quite a lot of Playable Scenario Missions. In fact, they are very fun to play. You can also download some fun playable scenarios from the Workshop for RE1.

I actually loved RE1 (more than 850 hours, own all the DLCs) .. but the number and especially the depth of RE2 is quite a bit more than the original RE1 game with no DLCs. There is just much more content.

Some people complain the game is too easy, and it is easier than RE1 .. but I personally find this quite fun. I think it is well worth the price. Starfield is on presale for $69.99, City Skylines 2 for $59.99.

RE2 comes with content similar to RE1 plus at least the England and France and Germany DLC content built in. The scenarios and campaigns are much more detailed and time consuming than RE1. There are some bugs (sometimes trains block stations when they should not and some other things), but the game is very playable. You can also compare your score to the community and go back and figure out how to improve your score, etc.

As far as a 10% discount, it is not much. However, you can get a steam key right now for $36.09 on cdkeys.com right now. That is a 28% discount.

The game released less than 2 months ago (on May 25, 2023), the fact that it is on sale at all is quite surprising for this stage in release. It will go on sale later. I am not sure why people expect newly released games to go on sale anyway. That is quite unrealistic.

[jhughes]

Jin Maq lähetti viestin:

I respect your opinion, but that statement makes no sense logically.

If that were true then why would companies ever give a discount, just to be nice to us?
Its to increase sales and reach a part of the market (like low income earners) that they couldn't reach beforehand. Which in turn, increases popularity of the product through word of mouth and extra usage, for example, more twitch streamers using the product.

Game devs are in the business of making money. This game was released, not in early access on 25 May 2023 (less than 2 months ago). It is not going to be heavily discounted until the initial release sales fall significantly. Once game sales get lower, they will participate in game sales, at least if RE1 is any indicator. They will likely, from time to time , release DLCs to add Scenarios. Those scenarios will have a cost .. probably around $7-$10 each (again, if RE1 is an indicator).

Are any of your other wishlisted games less than 2 months old that are 40% to 70% off?

RE1 is on sale for 70% off, the DLCs for it are on sale for 50% off the full package of DLCs.

[Obstinate]

> As far as a 10% discount, it is not much. However, you can get a steam key right now for $36.09 on cdkeys.com right now. That is a 28% discount.

Yeah, because it's grey market. If it gets revoked later because it turns out it was stolen good luck getting a refund. Buy keys from this site if you don't care whether good games are developed in the future, because these guys are basically scumming off the work of hard-working game devs.

[stagehand__18]

One thing about discounts: They make me suspicious. Sure, on occasion, vendors (of just about any product) will offer "sales" on their product. Perhaps they think they might have been a little aggressive in pricing and the sales are less than they projected, so they want to find out if more people would be interested if the price was lower. Perhaps they hope to boost the game to more popularity thereby making the game more desirable thereby increasing the pool of potential buyers. That's what capitalism is all about.

But any time I see deeper than 10% discount, looking into it I find out why. Sometimes it's because the game is at or near it's "end of life". Nobody is buying it anymore, nobody is playing it anymore. The game will no longer get support, updates, new content, and in the case of Multiplayer, there will be empty game lobbies, so there is little point in buying it.
Sometimes, it turns out that the game just wasn't as good as the developers expected, reviews are not good, or a similar game is more desirable, so developers slash prices in a last-ditch effort to recoup their production cost.
But never, ever, do they reduce the price out of the goodness of their hearts because a potential buyer "can't afford it". You bought a computer gaming rig capable of playing the game, You have already bought a dozen games in the same price range. How can you convince them you "can't afford it"? If you can't afford a game at $40 but could afford it at $30 you need to re-prioritize your spending habits.
Computer gaming is a luxury, not essential. Eating is essential, but eating lobster and steak instead of hamburger and Ramen noodles is a luxury. I wish I had a sailboat. I could buy one if I gave up enough other things in my life to divert that money towards buying one. But I'm not wiling to do that. Should I appeal to the sailboat sellers that they should make their product less expensive just so I can buy one when they are having no trouble selling all they can produce at the price they already get?

[Jin Mack]

Yup. good points, and i agree. And i wouldn't have said a thing if this was a completely newly developed game, but it isnt, its a reskin of an older game, just buffed up to look prettier. They have copy-pasted so many lines of coding from the last game, and i can tell this without even playing it, due to the screenshots.

So, they have designed only half a game, yet are demanding a full, top of the range price for it, and i really dont think that is fair. I made this point earlier, in this same forum, a few months ago titled "The game is too expensive" and im not the only one who thinks so, because i read through a lot of steam reviews. I could understand if this game was created from scratch, like RE1 was, but it isnt.

So, as steam gamers do, we wishlist it and wait for sale right? thats why steam is great. But then, when you choose to not only overprice the game, but then also choose to pick the lowest possible discount amount, with all thats been said above, it doesnt make me happy at all. CLEARLY the devs only care about the dollars, and i dont regret saying something about it.

Also the "Goodness of their hearts" comment was pure sarcasm, like ofc i know thats not a thing, sorry for not making that clearer.

[Tsubame ⭐]

Jin Maq lähetti viestin:

Yup. good points, and i agree. And i wouldn't have said a thing if this was a completely newly developed game, but it isnt, its a reskin of an older game, just buffed up to look prettier. They have copy-pasted so many lines of coding from the last game, and i can tell this without even playing it, due to the screenshots.

So, they have designed only half a game, yet are demanding a full, top of the range price for it, and i really dont think that is fair. I made this point earlier, in this same forum, a few months ago titled "The game is too expensive" and im not the only one who thinks so, because i read through a lot of steam reviews. I could understand if this game was created from scratch, like RE1 was, but it isnt.

So, as steam gamers do, we wishlist it and wait for sale right? thats why steam is great. But then, when you choose to not only overprice the game, but then also choose to pick the lowest possible discount amount, with all thats been said above, it doesnt make me happy at all. CLEARLY the devs only care about the dollars, and i dont regret saying something about it.

Also the "Goodness of their hearts" comment was pure sarcasm, like ofc i know thats not a thing, sorry for not making that clearer.

Yes, I do I agree with you on this point, the game does not add much in comparison with the first, mostly larger maps and co-op missions, and slightly improved graphics. The rest are mostly gameplay rule changes rather than game additions. In fact, no mods and map editor...

I still feel the game is worth the price, as long as one is new to the series and is a fan of transport game genre, or would like to try the new gameplay mechanics and additions mentioned above.

[sgt.greywar]

Just go make your own.

Seriously, the devs here or anywhere don't actually owe anyone anything.

[coenvijge]

Or wait until the release of RE3. Probably you'll find on a Steam Sale RE1 for 90% off, RE2 for 60% of and RE3 at full price (€55, seeing the actual inflation).