Trader Artifact Requests - bad gameplay design?

[vvilku]

[EDIT 2, because it seems people can't read more than one simple paragraph nowadays]:

I retrieve the artifact that Warlock *specifically* requested.
I can bring the exact same artifact to Warlock, and get 3750K and complete the quest.
I can bring the exact same artifact to Hamster, and get 4140K and ignore/drop the quest.

What's the benefit of doing the quest then?


[ORIGINAL]
Is there a reasonable way to get the artifact hte trader wants? I have 3 quests from three different merchants, requesting specific artifacts [EDIT: to triple the chance of dropping what I need], but it seems I'm pretty much going to have to abandon these quests, since the required artifacts are not special-spawned for the quest.

This means that the chances to get the correct artifact are sooooo extremely low, that it's not worth the payout, especially, since the promised reward is less than the price for any random artifact. What's the point of doing these quests then? Reputation (which doesn't work either)?

Or are the coupons mentioned an extra, added to the regular artifact price? (highly doubt it) [EDIT: they are not. You get less for delivering an artifact to order than if you just sold any artifact, including the quest one, << AND THIS IS BAD DESIGN]

In any case, seems I've locked myself out of side missions for the remainder of the game, since I have three very rare artifacts to retrieve. I seriously don't understand why this game is so praised. [EDIT: You can quit /abandon these missions, so it' not locking out other content]

[EDIT: This is not a skill issue. I know how to retrieve the artifacts, where to look for them, etc. It's all about the reward for a specific item vs the price of that item in a regular sale. If you're too dumb to understand it from the post, then please refrain from commenting.]

[Mechanique]

> does same stupid thing 3 times
> "game bad because it lets me do a thing"

[TriGGrPuLLa]

Originally posted by vvilku:

Is there a reasonable way to get the artifact hte trader wants? I have 3 quests from three different merchants, requesting a specific artifact, but it seems I'm pretty much going to have to abandon these quests, since the required artifacts are not special-spawned for the quest.

This means that the chances to get the correct artifact are sooooo extremely low, that it's not worth the payout, especially, since the promised reward is less than the price for any random artifact. What's the point of doing these quests then? Reputation (which doesn't work either)?

Or are the coupons mentioned an extra, added to the regular artifact price? (highly doubt it)

In any case, seems I've locked myself out of side missions for the remainder of the game, since I have three very rare artifacts to retrieve. I seriously don't understand why this game is so praised.

You did it 3 times bro....Come on. REALLY??🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[Nite69]

thats why they are artifact hunt missions, the map doesn't tell you wear to find it, just gotta be lucky to be in the right area, One thing that can help though is you can look up a list of what artifacts are available in what anomaly,

edit; check here

https://www.ign.com/wikis/stalker-2/Artifacts_List_and_Locations#Artifact_List

[speaker2]

Originally posted by vvilku:

Is there a reasonable way to get the artifact hte trader wants? I have 3 quests from three different merchants, requesting a specific artifact, but it seems I'm pretty much going to have to abandon these quests, since the required artifacts are not special-spawned for the quest.

This means that the chances to get the correct artifact are sooooo extremely low, that it's not worth the payout, especially, since the promised reward is less than the price for any random artifact. What's the point of doing these quests then? Reputation (which doesn't work either)?

Or are the coupons mentioned an extra, added to the regular artifact price? (highly doubt it)

In any case, seems I've locked myself out of side missions for the remainder of the game, since I have three very rare artifacts to retrieve. I seriously don't understand why this game is so praised.

Those skill issue tread are getting out of hand.

[Kodiak412]

Find out the artifacts that are most requested.
Do artifact farming runs and stock up on those artifacts.
Get a mission to find artifact X which you already have 2 in the stash.
Take one and cash it in.
This was a COP mainstay and is probably a way to get $ in STALKER 2.

[seven_stars]

Originally posted by Kodiak412:

Find out the artifacts that are most requested.
Do artifact farming runs and stock up on those artifacts.
Get a mission to find artifact X which you already have 2 in the stash.
Take one and cash it in.
This was a COP mainstay and is probably a way to get $ in STALKER 2.

Yeah but the economy system is so broken in this game those quests are pretty pointless

[Nite69]

Originally posted by seven_stars:

Originally posted by Kodiak412:

Find out the artifacts that are most requested.
Do artifact farming runs and stock up on those artifacts.
Get a mission to find artifact X which you already have 2 in the stash.
Take one and cash it in.
This was a COP mainstay and is probably a way to get $ in STALKER 2.

Yeah but the economy system is so broken in this game those quests are pretty pointless

Its not broken, playiers are only saying that because they want to rush the story

You get money for completing story missions.
You can sell artifacts you don't need
You can loot enemy gear (yellow condition stuff)
some misisons have to be completed correctly, you get bonus coupons doing this
Rostok has an arena, make money at it
not all side tasks are artifact related you get money for those
explor cache locations you get activated across the map, sell the gear from those

[vvilku]

Originally posted by Mechanique:

> does same stupid thing 3 times
> "game bad because it lets me do a thing"

> reads the post
> understands nothing
> makes an offensive comment with ZERO sense
> and yes, that is a bad quest design. If you design a mission that has a worse reward than not doing the mission, it is a bad game design.

Originally posted by TriGGrPuLLa:

You did it 3 times bro....Come on. REALLY??🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Yes, tripling the odds of getting an artifact that will meet the criteria. What's so surprisng?

Originally posted by speaker2:

Those skill issue tread are getting out of hand.

Yeah, just like comments proving that reading with understanding is a dying skill.

Originally posted by seven_stars:

Yeah but the economy system is so broken in this game those quests are pretty pointless

Economy isn't *that* broken. I have plenty enough money, good equipment, etc.


So, anyway. The reward is in fact lower (found one artifact for the trader) than the price for selling said artifact, so from the game mechanics perspective, they don't make any sense. I suppose the rewards stayed as they were, and were missed in the economy overhaul that happened.

Also noticed it is possible to back out of a quest as well, so that's also an option.

[FD_Stalker]

Originally posted by Nite69:

Its not broken

You get money for completing story missions.
You can sell artifacts you don't need
You can loot enemy gear (yellow condition stuff)
some misisons have to be completed correctly, you get bonus coupons doing this
Rostok has an arena, make money at it
no all side tasks are artifact related you get money for those

No he means the money comes way too easy selling artifacts are nothing comparing to selling guns

[Serpiko82]

Originally posted by Nite69:

Originally posted by seven_stars:

Yeah but the economy system is so broken in this game those quests are pretty pointless

Its not broken, playiers are only saying that because they want to rush the story

You get money for completing story missions.
You can sell artifacts you don't need
You can loot enemy gear (yellow condition stuff)
some misisons have to be completed correctly, you get bonus coupons doing this
Rostok has an arena, make money at it
not all side tasks are artifact related you get money for those
explor cache locations you get activated across the map, sell the gear from those

Also:
- Disregard missions about killing mutants, those are just money sinks.
- Instead, missions about killing groups of human enemies pay well, because you can also loot the victims and sell their stuff.

[Nite69]

Originally posted by FD_Stalker:

Originally posted by Nite69:

Its not broken

You get money for completing story missions.
You can sell artifacts you don't need
You can loot enemy gear (yellow condition stuff)
some misisons have to be completed correctly, you get bonus coupons doing this
Rostok has an arena, make money at it
no all side tasks are artifact related you get money for those

No he means the money comes way too easy selling artifacts are nothing comparing to selling guns

well several were saying they were struggling with the repair costs later in game, its easy at first but not later in game, You get your coupons built up early you won't have to worry about it later. so if you think about that way its balanced

[impactos_enredos0i]

Classic skill issues, and calls it “bad gameplay design”

[vvilku]

Originally posted by impactos_enredos0i:

Classic skill issues, and calls it “bad gameplay design”

How is it a skill issue, when the reward for a quest is less than the price of the quest item? I'm all ears.

[Nite69]

Originally posted by vvilku:

Originally posted by impactos_enredos0i:

Classic skill issues, and calls it “bad gameplay design”

How is it a skill issue, when the reward for a quest is less than the price of the quest item? I'm all ears.

don't you know how pawn shops work? think of traders like that, You won't ever get the full vallue of the item ever cause they want to make money on it too

[ImHelping]

It was a lot more useful in CoP because it was easier to run a lap around the first two areas looting every anomaly before sundown. Seva? nah man upgraded sunrise suit could handle a pure looting loop.

Now? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ laughable. Even when I would have spares of what they want, it would not be worth the cooldown on barman quests to bother with. I'd rather save them in case i want the effects or sell them direct to a vendor if I need the sudden cash.

Every damn fanbase, I get sick of people lying about gameplay quality to make themselves sound more "oldschool". We had nice things too kids.