Seems like a lot of Stalker fans are blindly supporting the developer despite this game's issues

[Night FM]

I'm definitely happy that the developer made a new Stalker game and want to be supportive. However, the game does have glaring issues related to the lack of A-Life and broken spawn system. Not to mention the bugs. The issues were noticeable enough, that the developer even removed "A-Life 2.0" from their description of the game.

However, I see a lot of people who complain about these issues get called out as "whiners". Honestly, do players really enjoy the maps being this empty, and having a spawn system limited to an 80m range from the player, coupled with broken AI? I wanted to like the game more than I do, and hopefully the core issues will be fixed in time, but I'm honestly suprised that, in its current state, this game has a Very Positive rating on Steam.

[danmak27]

Първоначално публикувано от Zoopy:

Първоначално публикувано от A TIN OF JAR:

They are not exactly fixing the game though are they? Current "mods" are more of a temporary hot-fix, there are no mod tools released so these so called mods are just mostly editing .ini files.

Correct, though give modders 6 months with the SDK and they'll have most of the worst stuff fixed.

We can only hope that GSC actually delivers their SDK on time. They said "early next year", which is hopefully by March or April at the latest. Not holding thumbs, though.

You know as well as me that new games for the at least 10 years have more or less been a mess when released. Different computer hardware along with different settings, installed programs running, processes running, in other words a myriad of things can and will interfere
with individual computers. For at least 9 years I didn't even bother to buy new games until at least a year after release. I've slowly started again because I'm an idiot, but not so much of an idiot that I don't expect to have problems. And the fact that I almost never crash I'm taking my chances. Then again, I can afford the "loss", and I have patience to wait if the game is unplayable. If so, I only blame myself for buying it early on. Not saying that the developers are not to blame, all I'm saying is that with so many different comps out there it's almost impossible to cover all the problems that might be on every single rig.

[Zoopy]

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You know as well as me that new games for the at least 10 years have more or less been a mess when released. Different computer hardware along with different settings, installed programs running, processes running, in other words a myriad of things can and will interfere
with individual computers. For at least 9 years I didn't even bother to buy new games until at least a year after release. I've slowly started again because I'm an idiot, but not so much of an idiot that I don't expect to have problems. And the fact that I almost never crash I'm taking my chances. Then again, I can afford the "loss", and I have patience to wait if the game is unplayable. If so, I only blame myself for buying it early on. Not saying that the developers are not to blame, all I'm saying is that with so many different comps out there it's almost impossible to cover all the problems that might be on every single rig.

You also know as well as I do that few games release in as poor a state as Stalker 2 did.

Also, most of the worst issues in Stalker 2 have nothing to do with "different computers out there". It's simply releasing the game before it has been properly playtested and fixed.

Also not sure why you're telling me all of this in the first place, because I was talking about modding and your comment has nothing to do with that.

[vamirez]

Not surprisingly, OP made a new thread to collect more points ;)

I completed the game yesterday, running it on a 1070Ti at 1080p. I had some bugs on the way, but no showstoppers, and mostly it was a smooth ride, and as for the other thing - no, the map isn't empty. Stop repeating talking points - there is a lot of detail in many of those locations, little fleshed out encounters, puzzles to reach stashes, etc. which *-mind blown-* you can explore while following your missions. And I also think what some people are expecting of the mythical A-Life system is completely unrealistic, and depictions of how it worked in the old games are likewise mythified and overblown. (And yes, I played them all a lot - Stalker 2 is very similar in most aspects to the old vanilla games - and has more content than they had frankly.)

[danmak27]

Първоначално публикувано от Zoopy:

Първоначално публикувано от danmak27:

You know as well as me that new games for the at least 10 years have more or less been a mess when released. Different computer hardware along with different settings, installed programs running, processes running, in other words a myriad of things can and will interfere
with individual computers. For at least 9 years I didn't even bother to buy new games until at least a year after release. I've slowly started again because I'm an idiot, but not so much of an idiot that I don't expect to have problems. And the fact that I almost never crash I'm taking my chances. Then again, I can afford the "loss", and I have patience to wait if the game is unplayable. If so, I only blame myself for buying it early on. Not saying that the developers are not to blame, all I'm saying is that with so many different comps out there it's almost impossible to cover all the problems that might be on every single rig.

You also know as well as I do that few games release in as poor a state as Stalker 2 did.

Also, most of the worst issues in Stalker 2 have nothing to do with "different computers out there". It's simply releasing the game before it has been properly playtested and fixed.

Also not sure why you're telling me all of this in the first place, because I was talking about modding and your comment has nothing to do with that.

Just making conversation, dude. It's nothing personal.

[A TIN OF JAR]

Първоначално публикувано от Zoopy:

Correct, though give modders 6 months with the SDK and they'll have most of the worst stuff fixed.

Fully agree, cant wait until modders get a hold of the modding tools, looking forward to see what they can do, would love to see some kind of Anomaly/G.A.M.M.A overhaul eventually although something of that scale is likely years off.

[Bullett00th]

Първоначално публикувано от Night FM:

I'm honestly suprised that, in its current state, this game has a Very Positive rating on Steam.

Because people find it fun, simple as that.
It's very very broken yes. But a broken product can still be fun, just like a polished product can be boring.

[BatriX]

Първоначално публикувано от Night FM:

I'm definitely happy that the developer made a new Stalker game and want to be supportive. However, the game does have glaring issues related to the lack of A-Life and broken spawn system. Not to mention the bugs. The issues were noticeable enough, that the developer even removed "A-Life 2.0" from their description of the game.

However, I see a lot of people who complain about these issues get called out as "whiners". Honestly, do players really enjoy the maps being this empty, and having a spawn system limited to an 80m range from the player, coupled with broken AI? I wanted to like the game more than I do, and hopefully the core issues will be fixed in time, but I'm honestly suprised that, in its current state, this game has a Very Positive rating on Steam.

You don't just complain about the games issues, you complain about the very essence of the game and what makes it so amazing and unique and unlike other games, which stalker fans love. why play chess if you want to play checkers, Move on already?

You also don't respect other peoples opinions, and its been said again and again, You just make a whole new Post to try and get more reactions similar to your own opinion when its pretty clear the majority of gamers love this game and disagree with you.

The bugs will take time to fix, but you people complaining about the fundamentals that make stalker 2 such a amazing game? Well you just need to uninstall and move on. the game is never going to change in that way.

You actually claim to have played stalker and you cant see this as a improvement? Even if we explained it to you. why make a game if its not entirely perfect?,you'd find some way to come around the corner and whinge, you are a whinger

[vlad_8011]

I wonder why no one actually speak about lumen shadow ghosting. This is looking worse than OG stalker trylogy, and WAS NOT PRESENT ON THE TRAILERS.

8:28 and 17:20
https://youtu.be/wMPSN29VRMo?si=D3BUBhexUvNcyhDy

Upscalers doesn't play any role in this. This is just lumen. Same for hairs of characters sometimes becomes blonde out of sudden.

[Zoopy]

Първоначално публикувано от BatriX:

The bugs will take time to fix, but you people complaining about the fundamentals that make stalker 2 such a amazing game? Well you just need to uninstall and move on. the game is never going to change in that way.

That person is complaining about the A-Life system, which the devs themselves have said is broken and not working as intended. How is that "complaining about the fundamentals"?

Spawning in randomized enemies in an 80m bubble around the player is not a franchise fundamental. As per the devs.

[Toto spielt]

Ich kann die Quest "Angriff auf die Dupa" "Töte Faust" nicht abschließen da sich wohl der letzte NPC (der letzte Faust?) sich in einem Bebäude hinter dem Panzer versteckt, und dieser Bereich ist nicht zugänglich. Alle anderen NPC'S bzw. Faust's hab ich bereits verhackstückelt, aber es geht einfach nicht weiter. Das Problem ist halt, es die Hauptquest...

[Zoopy]

Първоначално публикувано от Donaldo Trumpado:

As of 12:22 AM on December 13 (Central time in the only country that actually matters), OP is indeed actively playing Stalker 2.

Did OP ever say that they wouldn't play the game? You can be critical of a game and still play it. It's not exactly a gotcha.

[Greyfire]

Първоначално публикувано от Night FM:

Първоначално публикувано от Sommy:

It has a very positive rating because it's a legitimately good game (with issues, yes) that is obvious that a lot of love and effort went into making and it isn't another looter shooter that is designed around extracting value from it's players. Its just a game that isn't anything more than "here's a story in an open world, have fun".

Sitting there saying "I don't understand why people think it's good" says far more about you than the game or it's fans.

I'll say the same thing to you than everyone else; If you played the original stalker trilogy, and enjoyed them despite the post-soviet jank then you'll love Stalker2. If you didn't like them or haven't played them and have only played AAA wealth extraction tools, you're going to hate this game.

I've played the original Stalker SoC. IMO, it's a smaller but better game. We basically got a game with inferior mechanics to a game from 2007, which is disappointing.

IMO, I would think that fans of the earlier games would agree that this game, in its current state, is the worst in the series.

You're way off trying to assume how Stalker fans should feel about Stalker 2. I played the original trilogy and have thousands of hours in Anomaly and I still play it alongside Stalker 2. Stalker 2 in its current state is not perfect but it's definitely not broken for everyone, and the fact that some players are having issues is something someone like me, who hasn't experienced any big issues with the game, always acknowledges. The real problem is actually the other way around with players who are having major issues with the game insisting that the game is completely broken for the entire player base and that players who aren't have any issues are lying about it.

[danmak27]

Първоначално публикувано от Greyfire:

Първоначално публикувано от Night FM:

I've played the original Stalker SoC. IMO, it's a smaller but better game. We basically got a game with inferior mechanics to a game from 2007, which is disappointing.

IMO, I would think that fans of the earlier games would agree that this game, in its current state, is the worst in the series.

You're way off trying to assume how Stalker fans should feel about Stalker 2. I played the original trilogy and have thousands of hours in Anomaly and I still play it alongside Stalker 2. Stalker 2 in its current state is not perfect but it's definitely not broken for everyone, and the fact that some players are having issues is something someone like me, who hasn't experienced any big issues with the game, always acknowledges. The real problem is actually the other way around with players who are having major issues with the game insisting that the game is completely broken for the entire player base and that players who aren't have any issues are lying about it.

Exactly

[atrox]

@OP: Yes I do support this game despite the issues, but not blindly. (And I do play it.)

Why, you'd ask. For many reasons already said.

For me it the different approach of game play and type. There is just no other title like this, I just like this kind of immersive open world single player action, and those are rare.

And I see the potential for future development, either by devs themselves or modders. It seems a good platform to build on.

And I'm patient, as I was with Cyberpunk - which after some years with v2.x+DLC turned out great, did 2 playthroughs in a row.

Hope Stalker takes the same route. So I'm supporting it.

[Kain]

Supporting? Yes. Blindly? No.

I think the game is an unoptimized buggy mess, but I just trust them to fix it.