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russian? what are u on abt dude its ukrainian lol
One of the two, as long as I hear my beloved suka bljet
There is much more mixing than you think in Stalker. The right side of Ukraine speaks either Russian or Ukrainian or both. I know this, because I have some ukrainian friends who speak mostly russian. (east side of Ukraine)
Here from a reddit post:
"I'm Ukrainian and I was surprised that when I played official version of SOC some factions didn't speak clean Ukrainian. For example, Duty is mostly russian speaking, Freedom is 100% Ukrainian though (makes you thingk doesnt it?), bandits, on the other hand, are speaking a mix of russian and Ukrainian, something called "surzhik" (суржик), basically mixing words from both languages, turning it into a funny illiterate mess (that's how most uneducated people speak here in Ukraine). Also, military speaks Ukrainian and their propaganda from the speaker felt really atmospheric. All in all, Ukrainian translation is canon in my eyes."
yea maybe i cant fullly tell just knowing their current situation doubt they would want any russian in their game, im polish i only know like bits of russian cant fully understand either
Yeah no worries, I understand somewhat the reasons behind it.
I even thought that the original games were clean russian, but today I learned that it was a ukrainian/russian mix in stalker originals. As long as they have some of the original voices.
My spite comes from seeing the english trailers and all the "slawic" feels are gone because of the english interactions for me, thats why this is an important question for me.
And I phrased it in that way to generate some tention in the discussion on purpose
But suprisingly, the community is much nicer and respectful than expected
Actually, this is not entirely correct, tbh. As a Ukrainian-knowing Russian who always played the original 3 games with Ukrainian localisation, I can add that:
- It's not that some factions did not speak clear Ukrainian, they didn't speak it at all, speaking Russian instead. Duty, the Mercenaries, the Monolith, and the Army spoke Russian. However, the Army translated their message at Kordon in Ukrainian in CS, I believe (in SoC, it was in Russian as well). However, the Army started speaking Ukrainian in CoP.
- Freedom, the Loners, and the Scientists spoke Ukrainian. The Scientists are even more interesting here, because in SoC and CS, all of them had distinctively Russian surnames - however, they spoke Ukrainian, and as far as I can tell, a very refined one, like, as if they would speak RP in English version. Freedom, interestingly, sounded like stoned queer schoolboys in the Russian version, but nothing like that in Ukrainian localisation, there they spoke with traces of western Ukrainian dialects, at least I can remember some words from their speech that are clearly identified as western Ukrainian dialect ones. The Loners just spoke ordinary Ukrainian, not so refined and not so low-class.
- And yes, the Bandits did spoke surzhyk, the Russian-Ukrainian mix, and they also widely used so called "fenya", a Russian criminal slang, which is prevalent among criminal elements from post-USSR countries, so it didn't actually sound just uneducated, but the speaker of Russian or Ukrainian would cleary identify them as belonging to criminal elements specifically.
- Curious enough, sometimes, some individuals deviated from their factions. For example, a group of bandit-aligned Loners in SoC spoke surzhyk like bandits - and thus you could easily understand something's wrong with them. When Freedom members told anecdotes about Duty, they made impressions with broken, mockingly Ukrainian accent Russian, when impersonating Duty members. In CoP, the Wanderer (or how was his name in English, the former Monolith member) and his group spoke Ukrainian, Vano, a Loner (and Ara, the trader from Freedom base in CS) spoke Russian with Caucasian accent - it's actually understandable, since Vano is Georgian and Ara is Armenian. Also in CoP, Zulus, although being a former Duty member, spoke Ukrainian.
- As I can remember, GSC claimed that this localisation actually represented their vision more than that of the Russian one. I'd agree with them, because it actually sounds much more interesting, deep, and even them voice actors - which were the same for both versions - seemed to put more effort in Ukrainian version.
- Unfortunately, I must tell that in Stalker 2, Ukrainian localisation is poor comparing to the original games. And it's not about absence of Russian-speaking individuals and groups - it's just too plain, unemotional most of the time, the Loners speak in an unrealistically refined way, like the Scientists in the original games. I'm curious if they actually speak RP in English version, that would be an equivalent. The Bandits still speak some surzhyk, but almost no fenya, and are much more plain as well. The International Security force and the Ward sometimes sound like cyborgs, not living people, as if they were Combine soldiers from Half-Life.
Well, they were clear Russian in Russian localisation and a mix in Ukrainian localisation. Unfortunately, the Ukrainian one remains largely unknown, although I'd say it should have been the default one.
Thank you for taking your time for this long comment. It is really interesting to get to the core of it and learn from people who are defo much more knowledgable about this than me!
That was very interesting and entertaining, I notice your passion about it :D
About the last part about localisation:
I was fearing that. It usually happens with AAA or AAA-like games nowadays. I hope (but I am nearly sure too), that there will be some fanmade localisations for this game in time.
The stalker modding community is just THAT insane (ly good!)
So I will wait for now and continue my GAMMA run instead.