Someone actually filed suit against GSC

[Myta]

the FTC have officially acknowledged a plaintiff who has filed suit against GSC for False advertisement and violation of anti-trust laws and it would seem that GSC will be served for their lawsuit on November 25th 2024, and will at the very least have to appear in court.
As of right now it appears this is still in a lower court, but even if a ruling is made in the plaintiff's favor it will result in 1 of 2 of the circuit court acknowledgments for grounds for a civil suit or law suit, there's no real info available on the case since there's a non-disclosure agreement in place by all parties but it would seem it's in regard to false advertisement, and if I know anything about law, and to some degree I do, I'd assume it's in regards to A-Life and the NPC operations systems that are either broken or completely missing from the title, and even data miners and modders who have tried to get it working have suggested there's missing string and tables for behaviors that were either intentionally left out of never added to begin with.

[GrimAtrament]

So who ever started the lawsuit hope they are ready to pay both GSC and the lawyer fee because i don't see this ending well for them lmao.

[simon]

GrimAtrament eredeti hozzászólása:

So who ever started the lawsuit hope they are ready to pay both GSC and the lawyer fee because i don't see this ending well for them lmao.

Its this plumb here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1643320/discussions/0/4626980894528254071/?ctp=59

[Myta]

PostNutClarity eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr_Pennywise eredeti hozzászólása:

provide a link to where you see this ? if it is Reddit then DON'T post it as that would be a BS souse

It's not real, he got this information from some idiot who claimed he was filing a lawsuit.

Not necessarily "some idiot" on Nexus there is a Anomaly developer currently speaking with a former developer of GSC Game World who have decompiled alot of the systems in-game regarding the code being used, and the string and functions regarding A-Life are present but they're missing variables, many of the coders and scripters who have reviewed the code say it's missing strings most of them being parent/child or major/minor scripts necessary to make the code function, someone whose reviewing code as we speak and updating people on forums in real time of it's "problems" is suggesting much of the present code for A-Life is either dummy code which has intentionally left out functions or scripts , or was entirely unfinished, a user by the name of Nick Million is discussing it with one of the devs of Anomaly right now using reference code form the mod to figure out exactly what does and does not function and is working twords getting the systems online

[Dilaudid281]

I'm assuming this is continuing from that other thread. I can understand feeling scorned or cheated or lied to over the state of the game, however it was pretty clear that the OP was fishing for a lawsuit and was very pleased he found one. It almost seemed like he went and bought the game simply because of the general likelihood of there being some issues at launch.

I've run it once through gamepass and it is pretty rough currently. I could support people wanting refunds or someone even wanting to pursue some sort of lawsuit under the right circumstances. But the original OP that was threatening a lawsuit was doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Mr_Pennywise]

PostNutClarity eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr_Pennywise eredeti hozzászólása:

provide a link to where you see this ? if it is Reddit then DON'T post it as that would be a BS souse

It's not real, he got this information from some idiot who claimed he was filing a lawsuit.

i remember that post on here he was also clamming to be a millionaire LOL

[Cheyenesku]

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

the FTC have officially acknowledged a plaintiff who has filed suit against GSC for False advertisement and violation of anti-trust laws and it would seem that GSC will be served for their lawsuit on November 25th 2024, and will at the very least have to appear in court.
As of right now it appears this is still in a lower court, but even if a ruling is made in the plaintiff's favor it will result in 1 of 2 of the circuit court acknowledgments for grounds for a civil suit or law suit, there's no real info available on the case since there's a non-disclosure agreement in place by all parties but it would seem it's in regard to false advertisement, and if I know anything about law, and to some degree I do, I'd assume it's in regards to A-Life and the NPC operations systems that are either broken or completely missing from the title, and even data miners and modders who have tried to get it working have suggested there's missing string and tables for behaviors that were either intentionally left out of never added to begin with.

Source?

[Myta]

Cheyenesku eredeti hozzászólása:

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

the FTC have officially acknowledged a plaintiff who has filed suit against GSC for False advertisement and violation of anti-trust laws and it would seem that GSC will be served for their lawsuit on November 25th 2024, and will at the very least have to appear in court.
As of right now it appears this is still in a lower court, but even if a ruling is made in the plaintiff's favor it will result in 1 of 2 of the circuit court acknowledgments for grounds for a civil suit or law suit, there's no real info available on the case since there's a non-disclosure agreement in place by all parties but it would seem it's in regard to false advertisement, and if I know anything about law, and to some degree I do, I'd assume it's in regards to A-Life and the NPC operations systems that are either broken or completely missing from the title, and even data miners and modders who have tried to get it working have suggested there's missing string and tables for behaviors that were either intentionally left out of never added to begin with.

Source?

as responded in a previous post, public details will be available according to user on November 25th

[simon]

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

Not necessarily "some idiot" on Nexus there is a Anomaly developer currently speaking with a former developer of GSC Game World who have decompiled alot of the systems in-game regarding the code being used, and the string and functions regarding A-Life are present but they're missing variables, many of the coders and scripters who have reviewed the code say it's missing strings most of them being parent/child or major/minor scripts necessary to make the code function, someone whose reviewing code as we speak and updating people on forums in real time of it's "problems" is suggesting much of the present code for A-Life is either dummy code which has intentionally left out functions or scripts , or was entirely unfinished, a user by the name of Nick Million is discussing it with one of the devs of Anomaly right now using reference code form the mod to figure out exactly what does and does not function and is working twords getting the systems online

So you have nothing but forum posts. You understand the real world doenst work like gamers and Steam/Reddit forums? Unless you can post actual real world information that a lawsuit is currently on going then you have nothing but gamer drama.

[76561197961275394]

Mr_Pennywise eredeti hozzászólása:

PostNutClarity eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not real, he got this information from some idiot who claimed he was filing a lawsuit.

i remember that post on here he was also clamming to be a millionaire LOL

LOL

[Cheyenesku]

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

PostNutClarity eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not real, he got this information from some idiot who claimed he was filing a lawsuit.

Not necessarily "some idiot" on Nexus there is a Anomaly developer currently speaking with a former developer of GSC Game World who have decompiled alot of the systems in-game regarding the code being used, and the string and functions regarding A-Life are present but they're missing variables, many of the coders and scripters who have reviewed the code say it's missing strings most of them being parent/child or major/minor scripts necessary to make the code function, someone whose reviewing code as we speak and updating people on forums in real time of it's "problems" is suggesting much of the present code for A-Life is either dummy code which has intentionally left out functions or scripts , or was entirely unfinished, a user by the name of Nick Million is discussing it with one of the devs of Anomaly right now using reference code form the mod to figure out exactly what does and does not function and is working twords getting the systems online

Well, thats what happens when A-Life creator and main person responsible for it in S2 go and fights in a war. Doesnt help the team at all.

[LordXBlue]

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[76561197961275394]

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

Cheyenesku eredeti hozzászólása:

Source?

as responded in a previous post, public details will be available according to user on November 25th

Sure it will.

[Cheyenesku]

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

Cheyenesku eredeti hozzászólása:

Source?

as responded in a previous post, public details will be available according to user on November 25th

Ah, so you believe the user that is a proven toxic troll and liar by comments under his profile?

[archonsod]

Akarin eredeti hozzászólása:

its widely accepted that forced TOS are not enforcable and most judges view it this way,

Erm, that's not true. When you agree to the TOS you're creating a contract between you and the company, exactly the same as it would if you were supplied a written contract. Naturally it doesn't mean it's absolutely bulletproof since a court is free to determine which, if any, clauses of a contract they will enforce if it comes into dispute. Unless there's good reason to do otherwise however the court will always use it as a guide as to what specifically was agreed unless you can provide material evidence that the nature of the agreement changed - as a rule of thumb the first thing a judge is going to ask you if you try and dispute a contract is why you agreed to it in the first place; if you can't provide a good answer (and simply being ignorant of aspects of the agreement isn't a good answer, unless you can demonstrate deliberate dishonesty at the point the contract was signed) expect it to be thrown out of court.

if you can't negotiate the terms of a TOS its considered an unfair contract.

No it's not. In fact there's no such thing as an unfair contract. There are unfair clauses, but none of those are defined by whether you can negotiate it or not; there is in fact no legal obligation to negotiate a contract beyond the basic ability to agree to it or not. Generally unfair terms are things like allowing one party to change the agreement without notice, binding one party to hidden terms or conditions or unclear use of language. Furthermore even if a court agrees a clause is unfair it just means they won't enforce that specific clause, the rest of the contract is unaffected.

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

Actually this isn't true, the FTC was given special provisions quite a long time ago and have extended those provisions to include enforcement authority over foreign commerce

Spain claims jurisdiction to try war crimes globally, they issued an arrest warrant for Putin back in 2012. At which point do you reckon he'll be put in a Spanish jail? Whatever powers a country claims are rather irrelevant unless it has the means and the will to actually back them up, and I don't see the US invading Ukraine because some muppet thinks they were mis-sold a game, do you? As GSC aren't a US company they're not actually bound by US law, they operate under Ukrainian law.
In theory you could potentially sue Steam, problem there is you already agreed they're just a license broker under the ToS, and you also agreed your first point of call in any dispute is arbitration. So the best you could hope for there is a refund of whatever you spent on the game and if you're lucky Valve won't delete your account for a ToS violation. Either way, I'm guessing you'd pay more for the lawyer to file the suit than you'd be getting back from the refund.

[76561197961275394]

archonsod eredeti hozzászólása:

Akarin eredeti hozzászólása:

its widely accepted that forced TOS are not enforcable and most judges view it this way,

Erm, that's not true. When you agree to the TOS you're creating a contract between you and the company, exactly the same as it would if you were supplied a written contract. Naturally it doesn't mean it's absolutely bulletproof since a court is free to determine which, if any, clauses of a contract they will enforce if it comes into dispute. Unless there's good reason to do otherwise however the court will always use it as a guide as to what specifically was agreed unless you can provide material evidence that the nature of the agreement changed - as a rule of thumb the first thing a judge is going to ask you if you try and dispute a contract is why you agreed to it in the first place; if you can't provide a good answer (and simply being ignorant of aspects of the agreement isn't a good answer, unless you can demonstrate deliberate dishonesty at the point the contract was signed) expect it to be thrown out of court.

if you can't negotiate the terms of a TOS its considered an unfair contract.

No it's not. In fact there's no such thing as an unfair contract. There are unfair clauses, but none of those are defined by whether you can negotiate it or not; there is in fact no legal obligation to negotiate a contract beyond the basic ability to agree to it or not. Generally unfair terms are things like allowing one party to change the agreement without notice, binding one party to hidden terms or conditions or unclear use of language. Furthermore even if a court agrees a clause is unfair it just means they won't enforce that specific clause, the rest of the contract is unaffected.

Myta eredeti hozzászólása:

Actually this isn't true, the FTC was given special provisions quite a long time ago and have extended those provisions to include enforcement authority over foreign commerce

Spain claims jurisdiction to try war crimes globally, they issued an arrest warrant for Putin back in 2012. At which point do you reckon he'll be put in a Spanish jail? Whatever powers a country claims are rather irrelevant unless it has the means and the will to actually back them up, and I don't see the US invading Ukraine because some muppet thinks they were mis-sold a game, do you? As GSC aren't a US company they're not actually bound by US law, they operate under Ukrainian law.
In theory you could potentially sue Steam, problem there is you already agreed they're just a license broker under the ToS, and you also agreed your first point of call in any dispute is arbitration. So the best you could hope for there is a refund of whatever you spent on the game and if you're lucky Valve won't delete your account for a ToS violation. Either way, I'm guessing you'd pay more for the lawyer to file the suit than you'd be getting back from the refund.

Take my points.