Are shotguns just awful?

[Alexander]

Honestly really enjoying the game so far, but it seems that the shotguns are super under powered.

In previous games I used the shotguns against the fleshier monster enemies to great effect, but now they don't seem to be doing anything?

I'm playing on Veteran and dumped 8 shells with a fully repaired double barrel right into the face of a blood sucker at point blank range and it still didn't kill it, figured maybe it was a glitch or something so just ran by. I also dumped 6 shells each into 5 boars just now, had 30 rounds of 12x70 and ran out, ended up killing them with my pistol instead.

Are shotguns bugged or just super under powered? They seem okay for human enemies but even the lesser monsters are just eating my rounds when I thought that was the whole point of having a shotgun. Maybe there is some new damage mitigation calculation going on in the background because they have "thick skin" but I don't think boars or blood suckers should be completely invulnerable to a point blank shotgun blast.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

nah they just have so much hp it's not even funny......

[PostNutClarity]

I feel like they're probably useful against those pig mutant things but I didn't get a good one until after I killed a few in this random compound i came across.

[Zulu]

Until you find your first pump action, yes, they're pretty awful.

[vlad_8011]

I also noticed shotgun are underpowered comparing it to stalker 1 and most mods for it.

[ImHelping]

in the past games, your first rusty pump action turned you into the doom guy against snorks and bloodsuckers even on max difficulty. I even favored it because it had ever so slightly faster reload from empty into shoot speed so you could easily (For real) clear CoP with one if you wanted to for shotgun needs outside of vomiting buckshot as fast as possible into a REAL target like a pseudo giant or surprise burer dwarf around the corner before they activate psychic powers.

So yes, they are "New vegas modders hate shotguns" garbage now with the price hikes and enemy health bloat.

No you did not need slugs. slugs were actually underpowered trash with less effectiveness against mutants anyways. and in fact so bad I ended up better off using buckshot even against exo-suits on replays.

[gim]

its because the mutants are tanks now, that are not fun to fight

[Crim]

Shotguns need Slugs and Buck to be effective in anyways
Slugs for dealing with heavy armor blokes
and Buck for the light armor ones

[MeltingPotOfFriendship]

Originally posted by Alexander:

Honestly really enjoying the game so far, but it seems that the shotguns are super under powered.

In previous games I used the shotguns against the fleshier monster enemies to great effect, but now they don't seem to be doing anything?

I'm playing on Veteran and dumped 8 shells with a fully repaired double barrel right into the face of a blood sucker at point blank range and it still didn't kill it, figured maybe it was a glitch or something so just ran by. I also dumped 6 shells each into 5 boars just now, had 30 rounds of 12x70 and ran out, ended up killing them with my pistol instead.

Are shotguns bugged or just super under powered? They seem okay for human enemies but even the lesser monsters are just eating my rounds when I thought that was the whole point of having a shotgun. Maybe there is some new damage mitigation calculation going on in the background because they have "thick skin" but I don't think boars or blood suckers should be completely invulnerable to a point blank shotgun blast.

They seem to work alright for me. At least on humens. On mutants? You generally have to use AP ammo on them, which is rare to find and expensive. So, might be easier to just super run away from the more high-threat muties I think.

[holi_shet]

hmmm i do enjoy my m860 cracker it does do dmg but yes stalker 1 boomsticks does dmg or maybe they just incrase hp for mobs

[soul like that be capable of]

i dont think there is an benefit to play on veterns . AI isnt smarter or do any more moves . its just more hp . even on normal those bloodsuxer take 4-5 shoots with shootgun to die . i find shootguns very powerful they 1 shoot humans and 2 shoot other monsters . i have that shootgun that has 6 rounds so it make fighting much easier

[♀⛤WitchyWoman⛤♀]

I am an avid RL target shooter but you do not have to be a gun affectionado to know that a 12 gauge is basically going to end anything it hits with buckshot/slugs. I can understand a supernatural animal possibly having some kind of power to overcome lead but not a mutated animal. Those hogs and dogs should be going down with one blast. Its also comical to see some stalkers with gas masks on, negate head shots. Bulletproof gas mask? Yeah right.... time for a few mods.

[Alexander]

Originally posted by Zulu:

Until you find your first pump action, yes, they're pretty awful.

damn that sucks, always loved the shotguns in GAMMA, especially the over-under. Hope they change that, pump is cool too but I feel like double barrels have a beefy quality that other shotguns cant match.
Thanks for the advice!

[PostNutClarity]

Originally posted by ♀⛤WitchyWoman⛤♀:

I am an avid RL target shooter but you do not have to be a gun affectionado to know that a 12 gauge is basically going to end anything it hits with buckshot/slugs. I can understand a supernatural animal possibly having some kind of power to overcome lead but not a mutated animal. Those hogs and dogs should be going down with one blast. Its also comical to see some stalkers with gas masks on, negate head shots. Bulletproof gas mask? Yeah right.... time for a few mods.

So you're telling me you can suspend your disbelief when looking at a mutant whatever but you can't suspend it when that same mutant whatever does not die immediately when you shoot it with a shotgun?

[SunfireKnight86]

They do the same damage at any distance which makes them feel kinda dumb up close.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by PostNutClarity:

Originally posted by ♀⛤WitchyWoman⛤♀:

I am an avid RL target shooter but you do not have to be a gun affectionado to know that a 12 gauge is basically going to end anything it hits with buckshot/slugs. I can understand a supernatural animal possibly having some kind of power to overcome lead but not a mutated animal. Those hogs and dogs should be going down with one blast. Its also comical to see some stalkers with gas masks on, negate head shots. Bulletproof gas mask? Yeah right.... time for a few mods.

So you're telling me you can suspend your disbelief when looking at a mutant whatever but you can't suspend it when that same mutant whatever does not die immediately when you shoot it with a shotgun?

Well that depends, are you willing to forever give up declaring "You just hate a realistic challenge!" over videogame logic being the main hurdle?