What is better? STALKER 2 or G.A.M.M.A. mod

[HunterIII]

in terms of gun play and immersion?

[󠁳 ⁧HardLimiter]

Originally posted by Cosmophase:

Originally posted by Warmen:

Yes, to be honest ,a game of such magnitude to be released in 2024 , I was expecting a much better AI. Faken enemy moves like in Soldier of FOrtune released 24 years ago.

Lmao, I honestly feel sorry for people like you. You are so pessimistic you can't even enjoy something if it's good. I did two Gamma playthroughs in the recent years and have absolutely no issues with this stalker release. The AI is very similar to what was in gamma except the AI doesn't randomly freeze in place in the open in this game lmao. This is a day one release from a company that was in the midst of a war using a completely new engine and all people like you can do is spew your BS. Thank God I can still enjoy good games and not let my pessimism take over my entire being.

Edit: Before you guys start saying "yOu dOnT eVeN oWn tHe gAmE" I had a brain and got it for $40 cheaper on game pass.

Game pass doesn´t make sense.
Let´s say you buy it for one year, you will spend over 100 Euros and don´t have any games of them.
Each year, you will pay another 100 euro - for nothing.

The best way is to buy cheap keys, even as pre-order.
Like cities skylines 2 was 40% cheaper before it was released.
Because they knew that this game is a mess.
They saw gameplays from ppl who tested it, gave a review and other
sources.

Same with Stalker 2.
It´s nothing new that this game is broken in many directions.
I know that for a half year or something.
That´s why the keys were ~30% cheaper in summer.

But the best way is to buy keys.

There are so many good games, even in sale (right now) which are much more expensive than as a key.
Right now, Stalker 2 has a ~40% deal.

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Yes, in terms of gameplay mechanics and immersion GAMMA and EFP are just superior.
The only big W of S2 compared to GAMMA \ EFP is the beautiful open world.

But don't forget that modpacks were made by 1000s modders for years, and GSC is a limited team, they simply can't compete with such amount of people.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Father Lamb:

GAMMA & Anomaly are NOT STALKER.


I knew this bs would happen.

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1. The mods just add a bit of "Tarkov" to the game which kind of ruined it honestly.
- After playing through gamma and anomaly both, it's just a chore of a game with no real purpose. You just take side missions to do much of nothing over and over. It's a mod to play just to get some shots in and chill a while, that's it. The story is half baked hardly in.
- How you people enjoy that over an actual story line is beyond me. You say Stalker 2 has nothing to offer, of course AI is busted with Alife atm, other than that, you're doing the same things you did in the mods, get side missions, go here, do that, return. Lack of AI does mess with that aspect on your travels but thats about it
- Survival? None of the games besides the mods had it where you had to literally eat, sleep and camp out etc, stop expecting mod gameplay here

2. Gunplay. It's just as the originals, or close to. It's still a battle, and you can tank as many shots as the enemy do, they just dont spam medkits over and over but its LITERALLY the same thing vs your self. So, you tell me they're supposed to go down with 1 shot while you can take 50+? Right, makes sense. IF you want that go play FC.

3. Upgrade your gear, you'll love it much more

4. The mod scene has as usual just ruined the game in general for so many people who've seen stalker and NEVER played the originals. And then half of yall who did play the originals were just spoiled by the mods, period! Like, why? Why did you expect devs to COPY what a mod does? They have a game to stick to, a design, and what was original not copy some mods and expand on those.

5. UE5. Yeah yeah people complain about UE since its release, its nothing new.
If you're on older hardware and expect miracles, stop it already. If on newer and expecting 300+ FPS? STOP... It's not needed here. If you're in the realm of 60+ epic on newer hardware and its smooth as butter, why complain? Its not a competitive shooter.

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I can go on and on. Every year its as if the gaming community is just becoming more and more toxic to the point devs are just about ready to say F#*K everyone and give you slop every release anymore. Nobody is ever satisfied it seems. Then it turns into arguments and bs over and over and over without valid points ever being stated.

100% agree on this. I predicted 2 things when this game released was that it would be severely miss understood by the "Plebs of Pripyat" who expected the game to be GAMMA 2.0 and the morons who didn't even know what stalker was until they saw the trailer for STALKER 2 on IGN expecting it to be like Call of Duty.

Anomaly and its subsequent cluster ♥♥♥♥ of mod packs is not STALKER. Iv lost track of the sheer amount of moron Youtubers and streams telling people not to play the originals and its not worth it while not having even playing them themselves . While I do play the anomaly modpacks and enjoy them from time to time ( mainly for JSRS ) nothing will ever beat the originals. I remember upgrading my PC to play SOC when it launched back in the day and remember getting clear sky for Christmas of my GF at the time. So many great memories playing those games. The devs have done an amazing job at Stalker 2 and cant wait until the game reaches its full potential with later patches. Stalker has always been a niche and it sucks to see this going mainstream for the reasons stated above.

[Hashi23]

GAMMA is just way better at the moment for technical reasons mostly, but also gameplay reasons since the gameplay is actually unique and not something you see in other stalker games, while also being very balanced and fun. Unfortunately Stalker 2 falls flat on both as of now, yes they did fix a few things but plenty of things need redoing. They also need to add something that makes you repair equipment on your own because there are sections of the map and certain gameplay section where there are 0 mechanics available and if you want to repair something it's a very long walk, which is just not fun and it would also add up to the whole idea of making decisions about what to take with you.

[Hashi23]

Originally posted by Chiyoko:

Yes, in terms of gameplay mechanics and immersion GAMMA and EFP are just superior.
The only big W of S2 compared to GAMMA \ EFP is the beautiful open world.

But don't forget that modpacks were made by 1000s modders for years, and GSC is a limited team, they simply can't compete with such amount of people.

But GSC had 100 million dollars to make the game and plently of time.

[Father Lamb]

Originally posted by Hashi23:

Originally posted by Chiyoko:

Yes, in terms of gameplay mechanics and immersion GAMMA and EFP are just superior.
The only big W of S2 compared to GAMMA \ EFP is the beautiful open world.

But don't forget that modpacks were made by 1000s modders for years, and GSC is a limited team, they simply can't compete with such amount of people.

But GSC had 100 million dollars to make the game and plently of time.

Let me remind you.. the game was canceled twice, stolen more than once over the past 10 years, and leaked last year...

Apparently you did not know this.

Things had to be changed, remade, sacrificed you name it..

[Hexagoros]

Originally posted by Father Lamb:

Originally posted by Hashi23:

But GSC had 100 million dollars to make the game and plently of time.

Let me remind you.. the game was canceled twice, stolen more than once over the past 10 years, and leaked last year...

Apparently you did not know this.

Things had to be changed, remade, sacrificed you name it..

None of that changes that this game cost $80, or $100 for Deluxe.

If the game comes with a AAA price tag, it's got AAA expectations.

[Father Lamb]

Originally posted by Rich:

Originally posted by Father Lamb:

GAMMA & Anomaly are NOT STALKER.


I knew this bs would happen.

----

1. The mods just add a bit of "Tarkov" to the game which kind of ruined it honestly.
- After playing through gamma and anomaly both, it's just a chore of a game with no real purpose. You just take side missions to do much of nothing over and over. It's a mod to play just to get some shots in and chill a while, that's it. The story is half baked hardly in.
- How you people enjoy that over an actual story line is beyond me. You say Stalker 2 has nothing to offer, of course AI is busted with Alife atm, other than that, you're doing the same things you did in the mods, get side missions, go here, do that, return. Lack of AI does mess with that aspect on your travels but thats about it
- Survival? None of the games besides the mods had it where you had to literally eat, sleep and camp out etc, stop expecting mod gameplay here

2. Gunplay. It's just as the originals, or close to. It's still a battle, and you can tank as many shots as the enemy do, they just dont spam medkits over and over but its LITERALLY the same thing vs your self. So, you tell me they're supposed to go down with 1 shot while you can take 50+? Right, makes sense. IF you want that go play FC.

3. Upgrade your gear, you'll love it much more

4. The mod scene has as usual just ruined the game in general for so many people who've seen stalker and NEVER played the originals. And then half of yall who did play the originals were just spoiled by the mods, period! Like, why? Why did you expect devs to COPY what a mod does? They have a game to stick to, a design, and what was original not copy some mods and expand on those.

5. UE5. Yeah yeah people complain about UE since its release, its nothing new.
If you're on older hardware and expect miracles, stop it already. If on newer and expecting 300+ FPS? STOP... It's not needed here. If you're in the realm of 60+ epic on newer hardware and its smooth as butter, why complain? Its not a competitive shooter.

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I can go on and on. Every year its as if the gaming community is just becoming more and more toxic to the point devs are just about ready to say F#*K everyone and give you slop every release anymore. Nobody is ever satisfied it seems. Then it turns into arguments and bs over and over and over without valid points ever being stated.

100% agree on this. I predicted 2 things when this game released was that it would be severely miss understood by the "Plebs of Pripyat" who expected the game to be GAMMA 2.0 and the morons who didn't even know what stalker was until they saw the trailer for STALKER 2 on IGN expecting it to be like Call of Duty.

Anomaly and its subsequent cluster ♥♥♥♥ of mod packs is not STALKER. Iv lost track of the sheer amount of moron Youtubers and streams telling people not to play the originals and its not worth it while not having even playing them themselves . While I do play the anomaly modpacks and enjoy them from time to time ( mainly for JSRS ) nothing will ever beat the originals. I remember upgrading my PC to play SOC when it launched back in the day and remember getting clear sky for Christmas of my GF at the time. So many great memories playing those games. The devs have done an amazing job at Stalker 2 and cant wait until the game reaches its full potential with later patches. Stalker has always been a niche and it sucks to see this going mainstream for the reasons stated above.

Yep

I play Anomaly and Gamma too, but since put them down over the last year. Why? Its just a boring atmosphere after a while. Some times too real with the gun mods and chore like upkeep of things that are worse than default game, leads into a dull loop. There isn't much to do in the mods but survive and repeat side missions taking out bandits over and over.

Now, thats basically stalker2 in a nutshell at the moment just better atmosphere and design without mods so far. But people hate it? What? lol

But I knew the mods would ruin the outlook from so many people.

With S2 we got an ACTUAL STORY which I'm sure a lot of people probably rush through and skip every cutscene known to man and ignore dialogue choices.. lmao

[Father Lamb]

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

Originally posted by Father Lamb:

Let me remind you.. the game was canceled twice, stolen more than once over the past 10 years, and leaked last year...

Apparently you did not know this.

Things had to be changed, remade, sacrificed you name it..

None of that changes that this game cost $80, or $100 for Deluxe.

If the game comes with a AAA price tag, it's got AAA expectations.

Get over it. If this amount of money concerned you this badly........ don't game

We've did these risks for years, and they cant PLEASE EVERY BODY ON EARTH WHO GAMES OR OPTS TO PLAY THIS GAME.

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Originally posted by Hashi23:

But GSC had 100 million dollars to make the game and plently of time.

Yes, but yet they had to make all assets which is a big job.
And modders mostly worked on ready assets from STALKER games and often use ported models and animations from another projects. GSC can't do that due to copyrights.

Not defending, just trying to be fair.
But imo, releasing the game without A-Life was the worst decision. And if GSC won't make a proper A-Life on the UE5, then... it won't even be STALKER.

[Hashi23]

Originally posted by Father Lamb:

Originally posted by Hexagoros:

None of that changes that this game cost $80, or $100 for Deluxe.

If the game comes with a AAA price tag, it's got AAA expectations.

Get over it. If this amount of money concerned you this badly........ don't game

We've did these risks for years, and they cant PLEASE EVERY BODY ON EARTH WHO GAMES OR OPTS TO PLAY THIS GAME.

Sorry I didn't know that releasing a product in a functional and playable state was too much to ask.

[Father Lamb]

Originally posted by Chiyoko:

Originally posted by Hashi23:

But GSC had 100 million dollars to make the game and plently of time.

Yes, but yet they had to make all assets which is a big job.
And modders mostly worked on ready assets from STALKER games and often use ported models and animations from another projects. GSC can't do that due to copyrights.

Not defending, just trying to be fair.
But imo, releasing the game without A-Life was the worst decision. And if GSC won't make a proper A-Life on the UE5, then... it won't even be STALKER.

They'll fix Alife, they've stated it clearly as its the backbone.

BUT my concern is how they'll do it.

It will absolutely tank CPU's that aren't ready for it with UE5.

I don't know if people re-call very well when Alife 1.0 was modded to be "better" it had a CPU warning on it from the get go.

So add in 2.0 and UE5, this is probably a reason they dialed it back before launch.

I don't think a lot of people understand this lol

I'm ready for it, 7900X will have zero issue, but for most, if they fix things and enable it as it was in testing stages (we've seen proof btw, leaked vids etc) Then yeah, it might just ruin A LOT of peoples expectations more. It needs work!

[nobrien]

i think its funny that when asking ppl what they think a stalker game is or should be you cant find 10 ppl who agree on that , in many games now none of the devs seem to be able to make any kind of game systems that dont ruien the game because you accidently talk to the wrong npc first and blocks progression :{

[Father Lamb]

Originally posted by Hashi23:

Originally posted by Father Lamb:

Get over it. If this amount of money concerned you this badly........ don't game

We've did these risks for years, and they cant PLEASE EVERY BODY ON EARTH WHO GAMES OR OPTS TO PLAY THIS GAME.

Sorry I didn't know that releasing a product in a functional and playable state was too much to ask.

Its playable for me and many others, those positive reviews aren't paid like you conspiracy theorists believe.. lmao

[Hashi23]

Originally posted by Chiyoko:

Originally posted by Hashi23:

But GSC had 100 million dollars to make the game and plently of time.

Yes, but yet they had to make all assets which is a big job.
And modders mostly worked on ready assets from STALKER games and often use ported models and animations from another projects. GSC can't do that due to copyrights.

Not defending, just trying to be fair.
But imo, releasing the game without A-Life was the worst decision. And if GSC won't make a proper A-Life on the UE5, then... it won't even be STALKER.

Everyone here is smart enought to know that so there is no need to state the obvious. But that doesn't mean that they didn't have the resources nor the time to release the game in a playable state, and they do that for a living while the modders don't. Yes a lot of the problems are because UE5 is just a terrible engine and shouldn't have been used, but the decision was made by GSC, so it's their fault.