The embargo has ended and the reviews are in.. It isn't good.

[Lycan]

And the one word on everyones lips (And pen?) Bugs. Bugs, oh endless bugs. Everyone from IGN to polygon to no-reputation sites are all saying the same thing, "Game is great but the bugs ruin it" I guess now we know why no reviews, no preload and such heavy banning from the devs. The game is a broken shambles.

[Sanczesky]

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

Publicado originalmente por Kozzy:

ACG likes it, Skill up doesn't... that tells me I need to try it myself as two of my favorite reviews are split on it, one likes it alot and the other doesn't like it. Why just go off what one says? Make up your OWN MIND.

the problem with "make up your own mind" is you have to drop 80+ dollars, download over 150 GBs, then within 120 minutes you have to 'make up your own mind' and then refund. It's just far too difficult to use that excuse.

wait for the steam reviews brother. 10 times more acurate than any game "journalist"

[Dersh]

You cant trust gaming sites that gave Dragon Age: Gayguard 9-10/10 when its clearly worse than dustborn or concord...

[Lycan]

Publicado originalmente por Dersh:

You cant trust gaming sites that gave Dragon Age: Gayguard 9-10/10 when its clearly worse than dustborn or concord...

I agree but they are a big name, it is a little funny how everyone focuses on the fact i included IGN but ignore everything else with what I'm saying.

[Dersh]

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

I agree but they are a big name, it is a little funny how everyone focuses on the fact i included IGN but ignore everything else with what I'm saying.

I honestly haven't cared at all what gaming journalists write about a game for the last 15 years. The most honest reviews come from steam uses who dont have a monetary reason to skew or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Foamed]

Publicado originalmente por Xeph:

This won't put off people who played the OG games at all, bugs or not we'll enjoy the hell out of it.

Shelving out money for a downright broken game, this is why AAA studios continue to release unfinished and unoptimized games.

As the proverb goes: "A fool and his money are soon parted."

Wait a year and get the game on sale instead. Vote with your wallet, it's the only thing that works.

[Disturbed]

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

Publicado originalmente por Disturbed:

You can refund a game for "its not what i expected" which you find out after trying the game.

So yea.... No....

Read the ToS, I'm -just- saying, if you are using the refund system to test games out, find them buggy, then refund. Yes, 99% valve aren't going to target you, but according to their ToS, they entirely could if they wanted because the refund policy is meant to be used for products that either do not work, or were falsely advertised (Something that is incredibly hard to prove legally)

That's probably one of the things they put in there to punish people that are refunding dozens of games a week, to abuse the system.

I've been trying out and refunding games (because they were "not what i expected") for more than 10 years now, and never did i ran into any trouble.

and you're allowed to refund games for things other then "they do not work" or "false advertisement" there are about 10 more reasons you can refund something. including you having changed your mind after your purchase (as long you didnt reach the 2 hour mark)

[Sunday Driver]

Review embargoes right up to the release are always sign that they want to cover things up. They lacked confidence in their own product and knew it had serious issues so wanted to suppress the truth until they started luring people in to buy it. That's a real shame. If they knew the issues were fixable before launch or the product was quality they'd have been happy to allow reviews to come out first. I always mistrust any developers who act like they have something to hide with the product.

[Lycan]

Publicado originalmente por Dersh:

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

I agree but they are a big name, it is a little funny how everyone focuses on the fact i included IGN but ignore everything else with what I'm saying.

I honestly haven't cared at all what gaming journalists write about a game for the last 15 years. The most honest reviews come from steam uses who dont have a monetary reason to skew or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

I care more about the fact they all agree the game is a buggy mess, more than I give a ♥♥♥♥ about what pronouns the stalkers use lol. as a review site IGN can go suck a lemon.

[Dersh]

Publicado originalmente por Disturbed:

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

Read the ToS, I'm -just- saying, if you are using the refund system to test games out, find them buggy, then refund. Yes, 99% valve aren't going to target you, but according to their ToS, they entirely could if they wanted because the refund policy is meant to be used for products that either do not work, or were falsely advertised (Something that is incredibly hard to prove legally)

That's probably one of the things they put in there to punish people that are refunding dozens of games a week, to abuse the system.

I've been trying out and refunding games (because they were "not what i expected") for more than 10 years now, and never did i ran into any trouble.

I was actually warned once by Steam support about refunding games because "They were not what I expected" too often. And I rarely request refunds to it all depends which employee with a stick up their ass you get to process the refund request...

[Sanczesky]

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

Publicado originalmente por Dersh:

I honestly haven't cared at all what gaming journalists write about a game for the last 15 years. The most honest reviews come from steam uses who dont have a monetary reason to skew or ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

I care more about the fact they all agree the game is a buggy mess, more than I give a ♥♥♥♥ about what pronouns the stalkers use lol. as a review site IGN can go suck a lemon.

i mean they dont ALL agree on that. the bugs are there, the problem i have right now is on one side people are saying they arent that bad, and the other side is how its unplayable

[Disturbed]

Publicado originalmente por errordiskfull:

Publicado originalmente por Disturbed:

Not sure what video's you've been watching but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-npjztukr0

Almost an hour of gameplay, now there are some minor bugs here and there, but nothing that serious (in my opinion)

https://youtu.be/BRCLRAJkqjg?t=210

https://youtu.be/N2ccv0X9_uQ?t=99

And there a lot more where that came from. I cannot play a game like that in the current state.

Fair enough, All i was trying to say is that you (and me) can cherry-pick whatever you already agree with.

The game might run great on your system, it might run badly on others. this is true for all games.

in the end i do not care if you buy the game or not. its your money and you should decide for yourself.

[Lycan]

Publicado originalmente por Sanczesky:

Publicado originalmente por Lycan:

I care more about the fact they all agree the game is a buggy mess, more than I give a ♥♥♥♥ about what pronouns the stalkers use lol. as a review site IGN can go suck a lemon.

i mean they dont ALL agree on that. the bugs are there, the problem i have right now is on one side people are saying they arent that bad, and the other side is how its unplayable

then sadly all you can do is go by the people you; if not trust; at least agree can be semi objective. The people I largely trust seem to all say this game is just held back by too many bugs.

[Disturbed]

Publicado originalmente por Dersh:

Publicado originalmente por Disturbed:

That's probably one of the things they put in there to punish people that are refunding dozens of games a week, to abuse the system.

I've been trying out and refunding games (because they were "not what i expected") for more than 10 years now, and never did i ran into any trouble.

I was actually warned once by Steam support about refunding games because "They were not what I expected" too often. And I rarely request refunds to it all depends which employee with a stick up their ass you get to process the refund request...

That sucks, never ran into that myself, and i probably refund 5-10 games a year.

edit: now that you mention it, i did one time get a message about being more careful about the things that i buy before i buy them. but i didn't consider it a "official" warning. i think it happened when i refunded 2-3 games in a row.

and i just told them that sometimes after you try out a game yourself it just isn't what you expected it to be, and that they themselves have a refund reason for that.

[ZealousSteven]

Publicado originalmente por Cubertino:

I will wait 3 days for Steam reviews. They are proven to be way more accurate than anything else.

Probably won't play it for a couple days anyways, but I preordered it earlier today to max out the refund window if it is bad, but still get the campfire muse they locked behind preordering. Thankfully I also don't mind waiting a couple days.

[Shredder]

After decades people still buy games at launch then complain. Good lord