Dungeons 4 final game review

[invesibel11]

Dungeons 4 full finished game review

Pros:
1- A NEW DUNGEONS GAME WHERE YOU PLAY AS LITERALLY THE FINAL BOSS! SIMPLY HAVING A NEW GAME BY REALM FORGE AND KALYPSO MEDIA IS A BLESS!
2- the new story just keeps going! and new characters are introduced.
3- more new, old, outdated, and silly jokes to keep the environment fresh!
4- new dungeon design with more concentrated and focused environment, also the demon's portal looks much better!
5- Thalya's new design is nice and attractive, her new abilities are great, and once again being able to summon the absolute evil is always a plus!
6- little snots are more useful! and the new design doesn't require dungeon creatures to stop working for the sake of defense anymore!
7- plenty of money with exploration and time
8- plenty of new animations!
9- every creature has its own stand alone personality!
10- Gorugo doesn't seem half bad! for a baby little snot with high potentials!
11- Tristan is an interesting guy, but he's really naive ..
12- Tanos is back!
13- lovely animations and boss fights!
14- much livelier over world, and kind of more merciful dungeon world
15- no more under ground dragons' attacks!
16- newly designed traps! everything is automatic! no more manual traps!
17- new room types!
18- THALYA CAN SIT DOWN AND WATCH THE DUNGEON WITHOUT JUST WALKING AIMLESSLY!
19- creatures are more animated! and have special personalities!
20- YOU NO LONGER NEED TO PURCHASE SPELLS SEPARATELY! YOU GET THEM ALL FOR A SINGLE UNLOCK!
21- the idea behind freezing heroes instead of converting them is kind of unique.
22- introducing relics is a nice new view for more buffs!
23- you CAN use the stones to buff yourself!
24- more interactivity between the narrator and Thalya, and so many 4th wall breaking jokes
25- dwarves are officially part of Dungeons world!
26- greater number of variety, options, and bigger army!
27- nice art with the cutscenes
28- Thalya's new revive animation is really unique!
29- a very much open ending that gives almost endless potential for full story DLCs, or even a 5th Dungeons game

Cons:
1- the game completely threw away all what made Dungeons 3 great with the bath water!
2- evilness collecting is paranormally hard, scarce, annoying, and using it is even more punishment than achievement
3- Manavores MUST BE RADICALLY EXTERMINATED!
4- too many characters on the screen can easily freeze the game animations.
5- in the late game levels we reached a point where attacking animations literally couldn't trigger! too much laggy!
6- very limited number of rooms
7- instead of giving us permanent magic powered gadgets and devices, forcing us to manually force batteries into normal rooms is just criminal!
8- some mission objectives are straight out IMPOSSIBLE to pull out; easiest example the laser eyes and the mirrors
9- Horde faction is the only one to get champions
10- greystone must be removed from the game altogether! extremely restrictive, annoying, and pointless!
11- complicated traps (Tier 3 traps) are completely useless... didn't need them even once..
12- IS THIS A JOKE?! THE SUCCUBI IN THE GAME NO LONGER USE THE HIGH HEELS WALKING ANIMATION FROM DUNGEONS 3?! THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEDUCTIVE! WHY REMOVE THAT WALKING ANIMATION!?
13- demons faction and undead faction don't have champion units
14- introducing new units to the game is good, but also locking well known units away through newly designed means is confusing
15- all upgraded rooms and gadgets with magic are unlocked very far away in the game, and also the magic upgrade is no longer permanent but only temporary
16- relying on the little snots to do all the resource gathering is one thing, FORCING THE PLAYERS TO INVEST IN THEIR UPGRADES FROM THE GET GO BECAUSE OF THE CURSED GREYSTONES, IS A SIN!
17- the magic box making machines must be fed normal boxes and no longer gives you both types! if you need normal boxes, you must get 1 machine, and for magic boxes you must get another machine?!
18- when high lighting creatures checking on their idle animations and how they react to the Dungeon Lord, so many of them have real personality and attitude issues, all these creatures lack respect altogether towards the player
19- the game became more of a speed run game, than a strategy game, also the narrator's insults are really getting on my nerves!
20- you must upgrade the little snots maximum upgrade minus 1 in order for them to break greystone?? why not just make an entire map unplayable at all! by making the whole dungeon into greystone?! it'll be unplayable either way!
21- the fact that only in the 1st mission fully upgraded Thalya gets to make 666 damage and then whenever she levels up to 10 or beyond, she never gets to regain her extreme damage is annoying.
22- you CAN'T CHANGE THE LOADING SCREEN! ... starring at little snots' variety and concepts for 20 missions is boring!

Side notes:
1- had Thalya had a transparent midriff / fully exposed stomach as a mage / priestess such designs should be obvious, she would have looked sexier!
2- the horde faction is responsible about the main tanking and physical fights, the demons are all ranged warriors, and the undead are summoners
3- i respect the fact the game gave us 3 levels to get used to each faction play-style stand alone.
4- thalya and the narrator chat and self aware of the software as a game, gives a nice humorous environment, but also when they both start insulting the player in later levels, they both become rather annoying
5- after her journey with the little snot Gorugo, i promise ..Thalya is going child free, for life!
6- the game's open ending obviously foreshadows a number of multiple DLCs to keep the story going, also we need to fix our situation with tristan for good.
7- the game intentionally didn't end with the Absolute Evil returning in his full power back to his divine "Evil God" throne because the story itself is not over yet.
8- the game serves a very specific type of people alright, but i honestly hope for it the best of luck, and for it to keep going!
9- DON'T EVEN BOTHER MAKING TRISTAN EVIL! i'm not having a ship between Thalya and Tristan! he's a high elf, and she's a Drow, one is self centered, and one is born evil! with high potential!
10- frankly if Thalya must get along with anyone, i'd rather she gets along with the real Absolute Evil, and become his mistress. but i doubt the game cares that much about such development.
11- Dungeons 3 had more cutscens with more funny jokes and nice art, i preferred more cutscenes over the lack of them, this game lacks in the cutscenes department so much.
12- some players only play the game to go into co-op games, i only care about single player story line. for each their own.
13- when we played Dungeons 1 we were originally introduced into a tycoon style game; you are literally the Absolute Evil and your throne is stolen by your back stabbing "succubus" girlfriend, and then you had to reform your power from the ground up and regain your rightful throne! the idea of the game was very unique and strange! you had to create a Dungeon worthy of attracting heroes so they get satisfied, and you then harvest their happiness energy to make your Dungeon even better! for the 1st time in life you literally controlled the game's FINAL BOSS!
14- when it came to Dungeons 2 RealmForge returned back to the well known format of "Dungeon Keeper style" where you built rooms and summoned your own creatures and whatnot, Dungeons 2 offered the player 4 specific creature for each faction and 1 worker unit, the idea was for you to develop your dungeon and then turn your creatures to the maximum champion levels, you start with normal weak creatures, and end up with an army of champions.
15- Dungeons 2 a game of winter DLC not only introduced the 1st ever GENERAL to exist, but also was much harder! specially after introducing the undead faction. Dungeons 2 main faction was the Horde faction, then the game separates into 2 paths: Horde, and Demons, each faction lead by a specific type of Absolute Evil.
16- Dungeons 2 a game of winter introduced us to a very satisfying end game battle. but the possibilities were still endless!
17- Dungeons 3 game arrived and the moment everyone saw the trailer with the hooded figure calling the Absolute Evil, interest was born! when the hooded figure revealed itself to be a lady Drow "Dark Elf" and she looked REALLY nice and seductive! fans said "okay! you have our attention now!"
18- Thalya's voice acting and personality "yes i'm speaking about the split personality gag" was quite interesting! and even if the voice actress wasn't given a trophy for the voice acting, she should realize that she gave life to a very interesting character, that over time became a living legend!
19- Thalya at first had to be revived with money, the higher her level was the more she demanded, also Dungeons 3 by that point mastered the Dungeons system completely! and it only required time to fully upgrade every unit! HOWEVER.. Dungeons 3 removed the ability to "champion-fy" all the creatures, and only allowed 1 "titan" unit per faction.
20- Dungeons 3 had lots of DLCs that milked the content out of the game nonstop! Once upon a time, Evil of the Caribbean, Lord of the kings [the first ever DLC where you played as the heroes faction for a little bit, with a final boss fight that we were told could be re-used as future undead unit! or maybe a plot device, whatever], Clash of the gods [where Thalya was finally given the power to defeat the goddess of light], the unexpected DLC [literally name on named] (also the one DLC we don't speak about), famous last words [was supposed to be the final DLC story based game Thalya vs the narrator himself] (even though the story technically already concluded in clash of gods!), a multitude of maps [merely existed as a maps extension].
21- with the existence of clash of gods DLC for Dungeons 3, and the fact Thalya defeated the goddess of light, and defeated her "good half" and helped her boss ascend to divinity, the story of Dungeons was kind of perfectly completed!.. however still more content possible to milk! the Dungeons cow hasn't expired yet! also the concept art shows an incredible amount of possible ideas to use!
22- Dungeons 4 literally arrived "outside of my radar!" had i not been visiting Dungeons 3's store page merely out of curiosity, i would have never heard about it! and with the "Evil king's Gorguo parody with Thalya playing [Rafiki]" the stage was set! who was the little snot, and what was so special about it??
23- Thalya's animosity towards the narrator is very clear and visible, but she does occasionally lose the ability to answer to his humiliation and insults, still i do prefer the duo chatter OVER the fact in Dungeons 2 the narrator insulted the player nonstop without anyone to retaliate.. well, by now the narrator is an essential part of the game series, so whatever.
24- that ending of mission 20 caught me off guard completely! it's as if everyone is merely playing a role in a staged show! reminds me about Dungeons 3 when you went on finishing Tano's friends one by one, these characters are more acting like "actors" than like enemies.. still .. don't forget that Dungeons games live on 4th wall breaking humor as is.
25- Thalya's final word "THIS IS: DUNGEONS" made me smile! she's prideful of the game and her place technically as the game's 2nd main character.. because the true main character of all Dungeons games is STILL THE ABSOLUTE EVIL, the dungeon lord.
26- both Thalya and the narrator multiple times back in Dungeons 3 showed us that they CAN communicate with the Absolute Evil, and they DO fear his rage, but the longer you play, the more the Absolute Evil gets his back handed to him, by them personally.
27- the game hopefully WILL have lots of DLCs to come, not only to defeat the dwarven queen, and to figure out what to do with Tristan, and .. regain the Absolute Evil's real body completely, how many more times will we end up reviving Tanos? and so on...
28- i hope we get Dungeons 5!

final word:
Dungeons 4, a really unexpected surprise sequel to a very successful Dungeons 3 game, the 4th game in the series, with new systems, and unique styles!
do i recommend the game? I DO! it's fun! nice, and worth going through and playing!
final game score?
taking in the fact i have 29 pros, and 22 cons, and 28 side notes...
based on graphics, music, sound, gameplay, systems, and content..
final score would be: 7/10
why 7/10 ~ 70/100??
because i thought to myself .. would i wish to replay the game not for the story, but rather merely for the gameplay itself?
and my answer is .. i wouldn't mind playing it 2 more times!
i already played Dungeons 3 start to end 3 times! and that was when i had all the DLCs prepared as is! thus Dungeons 3 was an excellent 10/10!
Dungeons 4 has potential! i'm merely waiting to see it through!
RealmForge created a great franchise! please keep it going!

[FolkvarArt]

Con 1. The Hand can pick up gold, mana, and evilness. But its finicky. You have to hold the Left Mouse button, and you have to make sure there is nothing else, if a snotling or creature is standing over the gold/mana youll pick up the creature instead of the gold/mana.

[PetuniaCat]

If you hold down the left click you get a vortex effect that sucks in gold or mana. It will only collect resources of the same type you have in your hand.

[Valion]

on con 3 most maps now have multiple infinite gold veins, some dungeons in the late campaign with maxed out vaults are holding upwards of 100K gold

[Thats How We do action in Uganda]

Gold is not a problem if you explore map, and do not give snots too many tasks, evilness on the other hand is pain in the ass.

[Malecite]

Evilness is such a pain in the a$$ to get now. I'm finding you really need to manage your economy well, and ensure you have an idea of exactly what you want to buy with your evil.

For me it's almost always spells first, then creatures then potions. With potions and spells you can punch far above your creatures weight.

[Caz]

引用自 invesibel11：

after reaching the "ascent" level....

PROS:
1- Thalya looking GOOD, now that she sits on a throne! and also has great abilities and a nice new outfit, also her commentary is great! also she's looking better with the longer hair!

Definitely a great upgrade to her. And the longer hair is a definite win.

引用自 invesibel11：

4- newer traps and newer rooms open greater possibilities for the dungeon planning, also getting rid of the "manual and automatic" traps and making them all automatic is a godsend! now i won't need to disown the existence of manual traps anymore!

I'm in the middle on this one. I typically don't use anything but the long spike and saw wall. Tho some recent missions have shown some trap combos that I may be trying instead.

引用自 invesibel11：

5- the jokes are still there, the references are also there, can't get many of them, but the commentary still makes me laugh every now and then.

The writing has been mostly win. There's been a few spots where it felt forced or weak, but the vast majority has been exactly what I was expecting and hoping for.

引用自 invesibel11：

2- evilness is EXTREMELY scarce [and yes even with the missions to give you more of it] it's no longer something to be taken for granted! i usually used to upgrade all my units to maximum before going after the enemies.. but nope! you WON'T BE ABLE TO UPGRADE 2/4s of your dungeon to maximum! don't even bother! got your 2k ~ 4k evilness?? good! don't waste it!
3- everything costs gold like an open faucet! every single demon faction unit demands 666 gold, and the rest of the units are based on their power, you obtained 20k gold??? wipe that smile from your face; with upgrades demanding 1k gold and 1.7k gold ..... count on 5 upgrades and your gold is gone!
5- just unlock the arcanium and spells, DON'T EVEN BOTHER with any demonic faction units, get your undead, no more skeleton archers, get your horde, focus your upgrades on the dungeon and the other 2 factions. you WILL NEVER MANAGE TO UPGRADE EVERYTHING.
6- everything requires evilness, and its scarcity literally paralyzes your progress! if you are like me entering this game thinking you are replaying Dunngeons 3, you better adapt quickly! NO YOU WON'T MAXIMIZE ALL YOUR UNITS 100%, NO YOU CAN'T JUST HOARD EVILNESS TO UNLOCK IT ALL, AND NO YOU NEVER WILL HAVE ENOUGH GOLD FOR EVERYTHING! .. this game is about resource management first and foremost.

Evil and Gold are infinite in missions, tho their sources become less and less and eventually hit a low income rate if you play on a map long enough. You can upgrade everything to max, but you'll be spending quite a bit of time to do so.
Undead, while the initial cost of recruiting is high, are absolute god-tier units once leveled up. Their cost is a great balance to their power.

引用自 invesibel11：

7- either because i'm still rather in the early game, or maybe for some other reason.. but i have no idea how to upgrade Thalya anymore .. she just levels up by herself.

Level up the Dungeon branch and it increases her max level. She still has to gain experience, tho.

引用自 invesibel11：

4- the unbreakable terrain in the dungeon IS A NIGHTMARE it's no longer enough that the little snots cap at 19 .. but they can't even dig things until you upgrade them! and the upgrade demands evilness!

I love and hate this addition. It adds a level of progression, but it can also be frustrating when you're trying to quickly get set up on a new mission.

引用自 invesibel11：

1- the absolute evil never had a face let alone an actual identity; making the player able to role play as him... since Dungeons 1. so making the hand of terror default skin be of a goblin .. / orc .. was the absolute evil always a horde faction creature? beneath that armor?

It's not any faction. The Hand of Terror is just a gauntlet.

引用自 invesibel11：

5- all of Thalya's spells require evilness if you want to use them freely, making "evilness" even more scarce and more precious to the point , you LITERALLY don't want to spend it at all! unlocking character requires evilness, upgrading requires evilness, unlocking rooms, traps, you name it! .... frankly evilness feels like a microtransaction by this point! extremely scarce, very hard to gain, and everything requires it like water in a waterfall!

This bothered me at first. But it made sense once I had access to Expert spells. Thalya's spells are very limited in their scope but are also very powerful. The storm she can summon is massive boost to your army. If it used mana, you'd just be spamming it on cooldown, which is not the intention.

引用自 invesibel11：

Conclusion: do i recommend the game? ... i am still playing it! can't tell yet.

I absolutely evilly do recommend Dungeons 4. I don't know if I'd rank it above Dungeons 3, but it's a strong contender for Best in the Series so far. I'm on Mission 17 I think.

[invesibel11]

引用自 Malecite：

Evilness is such a pain in the a$$ to get now. I'm finding you really need to manage your economy well, and ensure you have an idea of exactly what you want to buy with your evil.

For me it's almost always spells first, then creatures then potions. With potions and spells you can punch far above your creatures weight.

frankly speaking ... from the start of any stage .. upgrade your Dungeon's main rooms top priority, invest resources in the horde, or the undead; the horde has healers and good tanks , the undead have summoned ghosts and are immortals as long as you have a graveyard. invest in the demons faction enough resources to unlock the arcanuim and spells.... SKIP ALL THE DEMONS! don't even bother summoning a single demon! 666 x 4 = 2664 gold to summon 1 demon of each type! not even worth it! having literally disowned all the demons, now you can focus on the other 2 factions and the main Dungeon upgrades..
main story levels 2,3,4 all taught us that Dungeons 4 IS DESIGNED IN A WAY VERY SIMILAR TO Dungeons 2; MEANING: YOU CAN PLAY THE ENTIRE GAME WITH A SINGLE FACTION AND IGNORING THE OTHERS! this is no longer about building the biggest most epic possible army, rather it's ... pick your style and play! "EVILLNESS" IS NOT A RESOURCE! IT'S A CURSE!
too rare, extremely scarce, and paranormally PARALYZING! everything needs it, and you'd kiss your luck good bye with its extreme scarcity! you get to own a few thousands? PROTECT THEM WITH YOUR LIFE! Evilness' scarcity makes the game LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE as long as you try to play it as Dungeons 3, where Evilness is plenty! and makes playing the game and upgrading actually fun!

get magic , get numbers, and if you aren't interested, then just skip the undead altogether and make an entire army of horde units only, and then operate the dungeon ..
with Evilness' scarcity.. just pick your preferred faction and skip all the others.
NO WONDER LITTLE SNOTS NOW CAN DO ALL THE CHORES! THE GAME IS LITERALLY TELLING YOU "PICK ONE FACTION ONLY" OR TRY TO BE THE JACK OF ALL THE TRADES but sacrifice ALL the upgrades! you CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT AS WELL! ...
still .... this is a "review mid progress" who knows what may happen when i finish the game..

[invesibel11]

引用自 Caz：

引用自 invesibel11：

after reaching the "ascent" level....

PROS:
1- Thalya looking GOOD, now that she sits on a throne! and also has great abilities and a nice new outfit, also her commentary is great! also she's looking better with the longer hair!

Definitely a great upgrade to her. And the longer hair is a definite win.

引用自 invesibel11：

4- newer traps and newer rooms open greater possibilities for the dungeon planning, also getting rid of the "manual and automatic" traps and making them all automatic is a godsend! now i won't need to disown the existence of manual traps anymore!

I'm in the middle on this one. I typically don't use anything but the long spike and saw wall. Tho some recent missions have shown some trap combos that I may be trying instead.

引用自 invesibel11：

5- the jokes are still there, the references are also there, can't get many of them, but the commentary still makes me laugh every now and then.

The writing has been mostly win. There's been a few spots where it felt forced or weak, but the vast majority has been exactly what I was expecting and hoping for.

引用自 invesibel11：

2- evilness is EXTREMELY scarce [and yes even with the missions to give you more of it] it's no longer something to be taken for granted! i usually used to upgrade all my units to maximum before going after the enemies.. but nope! you WON'T BE ABLE TO UPGRADE 2/4s of your dungeon to maximum! don't even bother! got your 2k ~ 4k evilness?? good! don't waste it!
3- everything costs gold like an open faucet! every single demon faction unit demands 666 gold, and the rest of the units are based on their power, you obtained 20k gold??? wipe that smile from your face; with upgrades demanding 1k gold and 1.7k gold ..... count on 5 upgrades and your gold is gone!
5- just unlock the arcanium and spells, DON'T EVEN BOTHER with any demonic faction units, get your undead, no more skeleton archers, get your horde, focus your upgrades on the dungeon and the other 2 factions. you WILL NEVER MANAGE TO UPGRADE EVERYTHING.
6- everything requires evilness, and its scarcity literally paralyzes your progress! if you are like me entering this game thinking you are replaying Dunngeons 3, you better adapt quickly! NO YOU WON'T MAXIMIZE ALL YOUR UNITS 100%, NO YOU CAN'T JUST HOARD EVILNESS TO UNLOCK IT ALL, AND NO YOU NEVER WILL HAVE ENOUGH GOLD FOR EVERYTHING! .. this game is about resource management first and foremost.

Evil and Gold are infinite in missions, tho their sources become less and less and eventually hit a low income rate if you play on a map long enough. You can upgrade everything to max, but you'll be spending quite a bit of time to do so.
Undead, while the initial cost of recruiting is high, are absolute god-tier units once leveled up. Their cost is a great balance to their power.

引用自 invesibel11：

7- either because i'm still rather in the early game, or maybe for some other reason.. but i have no idea how to upgrade Thalya anymore .. she just levels up by herself.

Level up the Dungeon branch and it increases her max level. She still has to gain experience, tho.

引用自 invesibel11：

4- the unbreakable terrain in the dungeon IS A NIGHTMARE it's no longer enough that the little snots cap at 19 .. but they can't even dig things until you upgrade them! and the upgrade demands evilness!

I love and hate this addition. It adds a level of progression, but it can also be frustrating when you're trying to quickly get set up on a new mission.

引用自 invesibel11：

1- the absolute evil never had a face let alone an actual identity; making the player able to role play as him... since Dungeons 1. so making the hand of terror default skin be of a goblin .. / orc .. was the absolute evil always a horde faction creature? beneath that armor?

It's not any faction. The Hand of Terror is just a gauntlet.

引用自 invesibel11：

5- all of Thalya's spells require evilness if you want to use them freely, making "evilness" even more scarce and more precious to the point , you LITERALLY don't want to spend it at all! unlocking character requires evilness, upgrading requires evilness, unlocking rooms, traps, you name it! .... frankly evilness feels like a microtransaction by this point! extremely scarce, very hard to gain, and everything requires it like water in a waterfall!

This bothered me at first. But it made sense once I had access to Expert spells. Thalya's spells are very limited in their scope but are also very powerful. The storm she can summon is massive boost to your army. If it used mana, you'd just be spamming it on cooldown, which is not the intention.

引用自 invesibel11：

Conclusion: do i recommend the game? ... i am still playing it! can't tell yet.

I absolutely evilly do recommend Dungeons 4. I don't know if I'd rank it above Dungeons 3, but it's a strong contender for Best in the Series so far. I'm on Mission 17 I think.

i read all your points, thanks for the hints and the info, AGAIN i'm still in "EARLY GAME" i'll hopefully be updating this post and changing my opinions as time goes.. if i can manage to maximize all my stuff all the time with "easier to obtain" evilness, i may actually recommend this game as much as i adored Dungeons 3!

Dungeons 1 was really unique!
Dungeons 2 was typical 3 factions and you just play with each
Dungeons 3 was a master piece! YES they removed some units, but the game is still EVEN NOW a great gem!
Dungeons 4 ..... "playing, and won't judge it before i finish it"

[tomorrowandtomorrow]

I disagree with not summoning ANY demons. Orcs, Banshees, Imps can all be researched with just gold. Nagas too, I think. Once I realized that, I started producing a few of each as a starting army, and I found it to be a well rounded enough combination to start smashing stuff and get the evilness train rolling. Imps hit hard and at range, so setting aside some gold to add 2 or 3 to your starting force is a small price to pay for the offense they add. At least, IMO. I generally don't add more beyond that until later, when I'm rolling in resources and need to fill out my roster.

Though, once I unlocked the perk that turns permadead minions into ghost heroes, I shifted to just making a big blob of orcs and some nagas and just suiciding into things to generate ghosts. It's fun. They don't really come online until you unlock their room and vampire queens to give them some staying power, but even at low levels the ghost heroes seem to be strong enough to justify their inability to heal in the early game.

[Valion]

引用自 invesibel11：

引用自 Valion：

on con 3 most maps now have multiple infinite gold veins, some dungeons in the late campaign with maxed out vaults are holding upwards of 100K gold

AHEM ..... i'm still at level 6 ... "review mid progress" the review isn't done yet.
also so much resources are behind unbreakable tiles .. little snots upgrades are a must.. and evilness is never enough..

no excuse for claiming something

[invesibel11]

引用自 Valion：

引用自 invesibel11：

AHEM ..... i'm still at level 6 ... "review mid progress" the review isn't done yet.
also so much resources are behind unbreakable tiles .. little snots upgrades are a must.. and evilness is never enough..

no excuse for claiming something

if you wish to start making problems .. i'll just block you. this review is not done yet. and i just finished level 8.

[invesibel11]

引用自 tomorrowandtomorrow：

I disagree with not summoning ANY demons. Orcs, Banshees, Imps can all be researched with just gold. Nagas too, I think. Once I realized that, I started producing a few of each as a starting army, and I found it to be a well rounded enough combination to start smashing stuff and get the evilness train rolling. Imps hit hard and at range, so setting aside some gold to add 2 or 3 to your starting force is a small price to pay for the offense they add. At least, IMO. I generally don't add more beyond that until later, when I'm rolling in resources and need to fill out my roster.

Though, once I unlocked the perk that turns permadead minions into ghost heroes, I shifted to just making a big blob of orcs and some nagas and just suiciding into things to generate ghosts. It's fun. They don't really come online until you unlock their room and vampire queens to give them some staying power, but even at low levels the ghost heroes seem to be strong enough to justify their inability to heal in the early game.

i started checking all the units.. anyone who needs only gold, will be recruited, anyone who needs evilness will be initially ignored.
i tried to use "resource" spell with "evilness" .. and obviously... not allowed..
were you able to get 500 evilness every time you use "resources" spell.. the game would have become instantly 10/10 game of the year.. but again .. that would break the strategy altogether..
also with level 8 .. i'm not sure if it's the perk, or it's the prison.. but i finally managed to start generating zombies.. that's a +1 in my score!
also ... the undead now can DANCE! .. the horde demands the training arena, the demons want mana pool and undead... wish to dance!

by the way ... manavorse can all go to oblivion! how annoying!
reached level 8, and 1 quarter in my path through the game.. Thalya broke the 4th wall stating the game has 20 levels .. just like the previous games. i bet after meeting Gorugo that Thalya is going 100% child free life forever! she's a Drow ... so a "long living" race.

[tomorrowandtomorrow]

I kinda hate manavores. Functionally, it's not all that different from accidentally finding a spider room while digging. But since manavores are only in tiles with mana in them, you know for a fact that if you have to dig out a big block of mana tiles, there's gonna be a few of them in there. It just forced me to hold off on digging those out until I had my army available to deal with the manavores. Somehow knowing thee were going to be there made them more annoying to deal with than the random spider/worms/whatever you'd find in 3.

[Smash]

引用自 invesibel11：

this review will be upgraded as i keep playing the game.. and my points shall change via "edits" .. i'm praying to GOD i get satisfied and end up giving the game the miraculous 10/10! ... review still mid progress.



2- LITTLE SNOTS ARE A GODSEND! they can now do EVERYTHING! i appreciate this upgrade!

What??? How this is good thing?

They dumb down game so much it is unbelievable...