farming 200 iron is way to hard aand no replayability by using other gadgets

[HermaPrince]

a game mode like that should be possible to be done with any gadgets and way you want especially in normal mode.

even after using the meta ( drill + drone; i hjad condensator and converter ) i'm still lacking 40 IRON its after 10th attempt, i may be slow and stupid but i feel like the only way to do it is to specifically buy the right perk at the right time and nothing else,

its more of a QTA than actually time farm. i understand how farmers irl are killing themselves irl, there's no way to get 200 on time.

we're talking about NORMAL MODE not CHALLENGE.

idk how you do it, i try to focus on drill and speed and still not enough.
my best score on a run was 360 iron but lost bc i had around 100 on me. so I probably spent 100 ore on skills but if i didnt use them i wouldn't have farmed fast enough.
i try to focus on going deeper. my drill even went to the bottom.

i checked my timelapse i was able to farm 80%.

either spent too much on power or too much on speed or not enough on either.

this game mode you'll lose until you understand what to buy and when to stop after that its just repetitive, you can't win by using other gadgets.

if the only way to do it, is by using drone and drill then the game is broken, no replayability.

Edit: I guess my problem is spending too much on upgrades. Some of y'all are finishing with 250 ore mined. And I lose after mining 360 ore. I'm an upgradoholic 😭😭😭

Thanks for everyones answers, even the gid gud ones, hate them from my guts but completely true.
Special thanks for all the tips and tricks and methods.

EDIT 2:

finally managed to finish it with ressource pack drill and fungal, bought 2 more orbs, 2 kinetic power and 2 speed upgrade . didnt have to fully upgrade anything, not even drones. had like 5drones and few drones speed upgrades.
ressource pack help the drones to get more, so i wouldn't need to buy more drone or faster drones. fungal helped with my own speed.

[Amplify]

I wouldn't call that the meta and neither should you considering as you say so yourself: it doesn't work. Stop using the Engineer, he's a lot weaker than the Assessor for this challenge, they all have their strengths and weaknesses like how the Engineer is better for the Maze.

I've beaten this on Challenge mode, aka 15 waves instead of 20. Doing it in that length of time is cutthroat and requires a little luck, but the methodology is the same as for the regular version but moreso:
Hyper efficiency; do not waste a single Iron, do not waste a single second.

Assessor + Droneyard is mandatory, it's very helpful to have more perks unlocked relating to gadgets and rerolling for them etc, supplements too if you can and having the inventory unlocked from the start is nice as then you can see in real time how close you are without needing a water.

The best gadget to start with is either the Prospecting Meter or Resource Converter, with the latter turn some of your water into iron but you're hoping to get the supplement for it and automate that production and let your drones collect it while you're busy. Blasting Charges is a top pick too but you're basically counting entirely on getting a Teleporter as your next gadget and Triple Charges as your supplement.

Upgrade path order:
Kinetic Sphere 1
Split 1
Add Sphere 1
Split 2
Sphere life 1
Speed 1
Kinetic Sphere 2
At some point during this when convenient, get to 7 drones with whatever extra speed you can. For the Prospecting Meter get one extra range and quicker updates, for Resource Converter you only need it automated. Consider getting Kinetic Sphere 3 and Sphere Life 2, but after that you're diving into the mines and not coming back to the dome until you either have a massive pile of 80+ resources and can't find the natural black hole for sending stuff back to the dome automatically or you're on the last wave and it's time to bring your haul back and hope you have enough.

If you went with Blasting Charges and got a lucky Teleporter, don't bother getting most of the Assessor's upgrades it's fine to just get the first three, Speed 1 + 2, and Contact Mining 1. Instead invest your iron into maxing out the Blasting Charges (directional charges) and Teleporter so you can instantly bring your triple charges deep into the mine.

Don't bother going sideways much unless you can directly see a cluster of iron in the wall or detect some nearby. The goal is to dig deeply and greedily fast while avoiding any tougher rock that takes 4+ sphere hits to break through if you can help it. You want to quickly get down to a depth with large iron clusters that will help you reach your 200 total in the least amount of time.

Bring the first two gadgets and two supplements you find back to the dome, but any more is a waste of time you could be spending mining more iron deep underground. You can and absolutely should carry massive clusters of resources with the Assessor to save time by repeatedly firing the group and catching it again from the front.
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Good luck. That's for Challenge difficulty but normal has a ton of leeway to mess around with in comparison.

[Wyrtt]

I dont like Assessor and his gimmick. If that challenge requires him than Id rather not doing or not even playing the game anymore.

[Amplify]

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

I dont like Assessor and his gimmick. If that challenge requires him than Id rather not doing or not even playing the game anymore.

The Assessor is very strong in general and well worth learning to play, I almost exclusively play him now. Any challenge that asks for fast mining efficiency, you'll have a much easier time with the Assessor - especially since you can save a bunch of iron by not bothering to buy carrying upgrades.

*edit*
I'm gonna keep it real with you and say two things:
1: I'm sure the Regular version is beatable with the Engineer, it will just be harder than it really needs to be.
2: If the idea that the Assessor is better at some things than the Engineer and is thus better than the Engineer at completing some of the Guild Assignment challenges is enough to quite literally make you ragequit the entire game, then I think you were simply looking for an excuse to quit the game for whatever reason and this isn't really why you're throwing a little temper tantrum now.

[zimny5811]

Originally posted by Amplify:

Originally posted by Wyrtt:

I dont like Assessor and his gimmick. If that challenge requires him than Id rather not doing or not even playing the game anymore.

The Assessor is very strong in general and well worth learning to play, I almost exclusively play him now. Any challenge that asks for fast mining efficiency, you'll have a much easier time with the Assessor - especially since you can save a bunch of iron by not bothering to buy carrying upgrades.

*edit*
I'm gonna keep it real with you and say two things:
1: I'm sure the Regular version is beatable with the Engineer, it will just be harder than it really needs to be.
2: If the idea that the Assessor is better at some things than the Engineer and is thus better than the Engineer at completing some of the Guild Assignment challenges is enough to quite literally make you ragequit the entire game, then I think you were simply looking for an excuse to quit the game for whatever reason and this isn't really why you're throwing a little temper tantrum now.

About first point. I was challenged to do this on Challenge level, with Engineer, no gadgets, no supplements, no use of caves or starting gadget, and yes, it is doable. So with use any one of those it is 100% doable too.

[Amplify]

Originally posted by zimny5811:

About first point. I was challenged to do this on Challenge level, with Engineer, no gadgets, no supplements, no use of caves or starting gadget, and yes, it is doable. So with use any one of those it is 100% doable too.

You're quite literally a multiple world record holder in Prestige mode and there's ultimately no replacement for skill, you can do it absolutely and maybe others could with enough luck, but it comes down to the fact that they need to work on their efficiency a lot more than they've been doing - there's no easy coasting through this one haphazardly.

Thanks again for the tips over on YT though I've been putting them to very good use, it's been a fun week.

[René - Bippinbits]

It usually boils down to one simple question: do you strip mine? If so, that's the thing that prevents you from winning this assignment.
Strip mining is great for not missing any resources and quite bad for getting many resources fast.

[Spanky]

Honestly I just finished this challenge the first try the other day, my biggest recommendations are to use the iron worms. Not sure how the community feels about them, but one or two upgrades in the meticulous upgrade path and they're turning out so much iron that it blocks up the corridors I make.

You can usually crank the worms out immediately when you start, and don't have to worry too much about upgrading the miner upgrades so you can lean HEAVY into the worm upgrades.

Once you have one or two upgrades in the worms you're set. Don't mine any iron at ALL. If you find a iron vein, note it in your mind and go get a can of worms to throw on it.

My dome gadget I used was the Droneyard. Love them. The transportation drones come by and pick up some of the iron so it saves you trips up to the dome so you can focus on exploring the mine more.

I used the assessor and had a lot of fun as well. It was really enjoyable maxing out my compression mining and just doing small tunnels looking for a sign of iron.

Best of luck.

TLDR:

Iron worms, upgraded to meticulous/slow path.
Drone yard, lean heavily into the transporting speed and # of drones.
Assessor compression mining

[Amplify]

Really, this felt like one of the easier Challenge maps to do. Most of the Challenge difficulty Guild Assignments have 300% / +30 for wave scaling, and I'm getting my ass absolutely hammered by them. Haven't been able to beat a single one with that difficulty increase yet and imo I'm pretty decent at the game.

[zimny5811]

Originally posted by Amplify:

Originally posted by zimny5811:

About first point. I was challenged to do this on Challenge level, with Engineer, no gadgets, no supplements, no use of caves or starting gadget, and yes, it is doable. So with use any one of those it is 100% doable too.

You're quite literally a multiple world record holder in Prestige mode and there's ultimately no replacement for skill, you can do it absolutely and maybe others could with enough luck, but it comes down to the fact that they need to work on their efficiency a lot more than they've been doing - there's no easy coasting through this one haphazardly.

Thanks again for the tips over on YT though I've been putting them to very good use, it's been a fun week.

I was writing this more in sense: if it is possible to do it without anything, then most people should be able to do it on regular with gadgets/supps/caves help. But true, you need to work on your mining efficiency, and this mission is awesome for that. Also thanks! :D

[Sea Base]

Originally posted by René - Bippinbits:

It usually boils down to one simple question: do you strip mine? If so, that's the thing that prevents you from winning this assignment.
Strip mining is great for not missing any resources and quite bad for getting many resources fast.

Pretty much. Engi, drill and drones with efficient mining makes the challenge kinda trivial. Just gonna do it a couple of times to work out when you should stop spending and just save iron.

[HermaPrince]

Originally posted by Amplify:

I wouldn't call that the meta and neither should you considering as you say so yourself: it doesn't work. Stop using the Engineer, he's a lot weaker than the Assessor for this challenge, they all have their strengths and weaknesses like how the Engineer is better for the Maze.

Good luck. That's for Challenge difficulty but normal has a ton of leeway to mess around with in comparison.

i was using the assessor the whole time :'''''(
i already read that message on other posts, but tried my best using my own way but failed, but if i had to follow someone who found a way, might as well go play an MMO and follow an endgamer on youtube for a build, this is not that kinda game. like if I had to go to youtube to find out how to beat a mode game on normal difficulty might as well go play dragon lair retro game or any infogramme games.
it shouldn't be this hard not on normal; this is not sekiro or a dark soul game where there's no normal difficulty.

the asssessor is extremly strong and i play only that. but if a game mode isnt doable with the engineer then the game is broken.

its not suppose to a "follow the only way to play" kinda game.

[HermaPrince]

Originally posted by René - Bippinbits:

It usually boils down to one simple question: do you strip mine? If so, that's the thing that prevents you from winning this assignment.
Strip mining is great for not missing any resources and quite bad for getting many resources fast.

thanks for the answer but what's strip minning ?

i tried different methods, while using the assessor and drones, with worm that gives more ressources and the fast one; dont touch ressources let the drones do the work.

i need to find the balance betweek spending and stop spending but i feel like i have to count them or not maxing some gadgets

i create paths for the drones, focus on using orbs not even maxxing them but make them strong enough to be able to not waste time on the lowest paths.
half way my timer i slower my spending to focus on drones and orb power.

one time i focused on orbs drill and drone ONLY maxxing drones only still lost.
i've also got a video where i basically done 80% ended with 100 iron.
best score was 150 iron.

[HermaPrince]

Originally posted by Amplify:

Really, this felt like one of the easier Challenge maps to do. Most of the Challenge difficulty Guild Assignments have 300% / +30 for wave scaling, and I'm getting my ass absolutely hammered by them. Haven't been able to beat a single one with that difficulty increase yet and imo I'm pretty decent at the game.

i did the first challenge and finished it after the second try, did prestige and passed at 1K wasnt focusing on scoring much but got an achievement for it, didnt read if there's a another achievement for prestige.
didn't try the other challenges since i was stuck on farming 200 iron.
like everything and all mode type and story was smooth after a few tries but farming 200 iron still my worse take of failing after more than 5 tries,

if i wanted to get my ass kicked i would've played a sekiro like game.

[HermaPrince]

Originally posted by zimny5811:

Originally posted by Amplify:

You're quite literally a multiple world record holder in Prestige mode and there's ultimately no replacement for skill, you can do it absolutely and maybe others could with enough luck, but it comes down to the fact that they need to work on their efficiency a lot more than they've been doing - there's no easy coasting through this one haphazardly.

Thanks again for the tips over on YT though I've been putting them to very good use, it's been a fun week.

I was writing this more in sense: if it is possible to do it without anything, then most people should be able to do it on regular with gadgets/supps/caves help. But true, you need to work on your mining efficiency, and this mission is awesome for that. Also thanks! :D

i felt it was a minning efficiency trainning but since the mining nodes are random its luck based skill, even if you got a good stragegy.

this mode is basically to learn when to upgrade and when not to. i'm a shopaholic i see upgrades i take them, and see which upgrade is best upgrade my iron per second. like dps. but this game mode is not even that. its nothing about having the best dps or ips,

its very hard for me not to upgrade and try my best not to; still fail at 50 iron withouth even buying the last upgrades.

its more of a anticipate, and hope for the best kinda mode.

[Sea Base]

Originally posted by HermaPrince:

Originally posted by René - Bippinbits:

It usually boils down to one simple question: do you strip mine? If so, that's the thing that prevents you from winning this assignment.
Strip mining is great for not missing any resources and quite bad for getting many resources fast.

thanks for the answer but what's strip minning ?

i tried different methods, while using the assessor and drones, with worm that gives more ressources and the fast one; dont touch ressources let the drones do the work.

i need to find the balance betweek spending and stop spending but i feel like i have to count them or not maxing some gadgets

i create paths for the drones, focus on using orbs not even maxxing them but make them strong enough to be able to not waste time on the lowest paths.
half way my timer i slower my spending to focus on drones and orb power.

one time i focused on orbs drill and drone ONLY maxxing drones only still lost.
i've also got a video where i basically done 80% ended with 100 iron.
best score was 150 iron.

Strip mining would be mining every single layer. Like the name suggests, you are stripping away all material to uncover the resources.

You are better off generally mining every 3rd layer, so default view lets you *see* every layer to find resources. And every 5th if you get the sight expansion upgrade.

But for this challenge, every 4th layer is more efficient as you primarily care about finding iron which is typically two or more blocks high veins. By doing that, you run a real risk of missing water and cobalt, but that's not really a problem for this challenge.