Am I missing something about the sword ?

[Muad'Dib]

The game says it needs to be "mastered" but so far it just seems like a straight downgrade from the laser. Anyone got good results with the sword ?

[Xeonicus]

Escrito originalmente por Robin:

For the people who got good with sword: Do you play with controller or keyboard? I currently don't have a controller available to me and it feels kinda "clunky" and hard to aim with just digital inputs, so I wonder if I should just stick to laser until I get a controller

They both feel pretty similar to me. I started on the gamepad but my thumb was getting sore, so I switch to keyboard.

[Michiko_X]

Neither dome is the 'right' way to play. Just play the one that's most enjoyable, then (like I said earlier) if you're bored, switch over and use the skills you've learned about maximizing resource mining and the skill tree and make that dome your friend, too. It's one great joy in games like this. The variety. Each individual will gravitate to different play styles, but if the game is good, they'll eventually learn to love skills and weapons they might not have gravitated to at first. I did this in Dead Cells and Hades and it's a fun way to play.

But the people saying sword dome is how the game is meant to be played? Shrug. Typical contrarian nonsense. Play the way you want.

[TheCommunist]

sword feels like hot garbage. laser has flaws but you can play around them and the upgrades can mitigate some of them.

with sword you just end up taking tons of hits because you have to swing it back around or wait to reel it back in. sure you take a few extra hits with laser getting it into position and then burning down an enemy on occasion but not nearly to the same extent

[omnisiah]

Escrito originalmente por Xeonicus:

The only problem I have with Sword Dome is Impact Recuperation seems to be bugged and does nothing. The Laser Dome has Damage Reduction, which is nice.

can confirm

[HealthBar]

Escrito originalmente por Michiko_X:

Neither dome is the 'right' way to play. Just play the one that's most enjoyable, then (like I said earlier) if you're bored, switch over and use the skills you've learned about maximizing resource mining and the skill tree and make that dome your friend, too. It's one great joy in games like this. The variety. Each individual will gravitate to different play styles, but if the game is good, they'll eventually learn to love skills and weapons they might not have gravitated to at first. I did this in Dead Cells and Hades and it's a fun way to play.

But the people saying sword dome is how the game is meant to be played? Shrug. Typical contrarian nonsense. Play the way you want.

This person knows what's up.

[!?!]

Escrito originalmente por TheCommunist:

sword feels like hot garbage. laser has flaws but you can play around them and the upgrades can mitigate some of them.

with sword you just end up taking tons of hits because you have to swing it back around or wait to reel it back in. sure you take a few extra hits with laser getting it into position and then burning down an enemy on occasion but not nearly to the same extent

Lol.
The sword has the potential for no damage defenses since it can block projectiles and always rotates quickly so you can defend both sides.
The laser can't not constantly eat damage.
Once a projectile is in the air, that's damage taken.

[Zairev]

Since i unlocked sword, i never returned back to laser. Its slow early, but with just upgrading first level of each "tree", it become great. Everything after that is not really needed until last wave. Most of the time, i have zero damage waves. The point is to get fast stab asap.

[twitch.tv/GFYE]

Beam allows you more control and the option to single out targets without having to make any calculation on its cost besides what side or where do I need to attack.

Sword allows you way more damage and depending on the upgrades, it can handle ALL sides without any downtime because the extension STAB path for sword lets it fly across the entire upper portion of the map. Sword can also innately bounce projectiles, upgrades allow it to reflect things back which negates all the damage. Depending on the build it can either hit all sides each second at nearly max strength which 1 shots waves all tier 1 melle enemies "on hard with feeble mutator or normal" or it can kill nearly any enemy at all stages at melle range in a few swipes, even the final wave enemies cant manage to take more than a few swings with the damage path. Sword is the skill option, both with the stab shot mechanic and the delay between damage due to needing momentum behind the swing.

Each weapon pairs better with different domes and artifacts, which are partially rng dependent. You can run repellent and the damage augment to ensure enemies die in one swing, or you could run fruit and go for ranged defense so you can spec into ground damage leaving them for last and vice versa. Mix it up and give it a chance, sword is interesting because moreso than the beam, the gadgets REALLY can matter.

[twitch.tv/GFYE]

Escrito originalmente por TheCommunist:

sword feels like hot garbage. laser has flaws but you can play around them and the upgrades can mitigate some of them.

with sword you just end up taking tons of hits because you have to swing it back around or wait to reel it back in. sure you take a few extra hits with laser getting it into position and then burning down an enemy on occasion but not nearly to the same extent

Unupgraded sword at maximum momentum 1 shots enemies wave 1 and same for fliers? You can stall upgrades into it and boost economy or gadgets if you know what you're doing. Upgraded stab allows you to do a circle in the air and double or triple tap the same enemy at higher tiers ensuring it dies, all with the same TTK at similar upgrade tiers.

[!?!]

Escrito originalmente por twitch.tv/GFYE:

Unupgraded sword at maximum momentum 1 shots enemies wave 1

Nope.
You need 1 upgrade for that.

Escrito originalmente por twitch.tv/GFYE:

Upgraded stab allows you to do a circle in the air and double or triple tap the same enemy at higher tiers ensuring it dies

Not how it works.
Enemy health gets subtracted from stab damage.
If your stab damage is higher than enemy health, the enemy just dies and the sword keeps flying with lowered damage.
If enemy health is higher, it takes the remaining stab damage and the stab retracts.
There is no way to double hit since enemies you pierce are dead.

[twitch.tv/GFYE]

Escrito originalmente por !?!:

Escrito originalmente por twitch.tv/GFYE:

Unupgraded sword at maximum momentum 1 shots enemies wave 1

Nope.
You need 1 upgrade for that.

Escrito originalmente por twitch.tv/GFYE:

Upgraded stab allows you to do a circle in the air and double or triple tap the same enemy at higher tiers ensuring it dies

Not how it works.
Enemy health gets subtracted from stab damage.
If your stab damage is higher than enemy health, the enemy just dies and the sword keeps flying with lowered damage.
If enemy health is higher, it takes the remaining stab damage and the stab retracts.
There is no way to double hit since enemies you pierce are dead.

It does on Hard with feeble mutator, maybe I should have specified that since I play with the mutators enabled. I'll edit my post so it is more clear.


Just going to put that out here, most players "statistically speaking" wont play the game on Brutal their first couple of runs "especially if they lose quickly their first times." Even fewer are going to attempt and beat YAFI. Implying it is kind of not conducive to discussions. Have a nice night and good luck with your runs.

[Grails]

Escrito originalmente por Coconutsales:

Go for the Long Stab + Long Blade upgrade trees, At Long Blade 1 + Long Stab 2 I am one-shot on stab most things the game is throwing at me 10 rounds in, and the blade is super nimble in the air meaning I can easily double back and keep stabbing a harder target. That + the shield projectile reflection + faster reflected projectiles makes the blade just so incredibly good over the wimpy laser that goes so slow.

Upgraded sword-chan is CHAD compared to beta upgraded laser wimp. Straight facts.

Yes this, go for electro blade, stop upgrading stab before bomb, and go deflect with the biggest pad, then you can almost literally just thrash left to right and win the rounds with minimal damage, 1 deflect kills the small flyers, 1 stab kills the big flyers, and the thrashing back and forth smashes everything else. The flyers that do bombing runs become the most annoying because they dodge the deflects but they also do very little damage.

[mr_oluap]

i have better results with sword than laser, i beat hardest difficulty and saved the relic starting with sword and drillbert.

Long sword kills anything short range and the long stab can kill a ton of flying ennemies in one go with proper planning and targeting.

Basic strat is to kill flying ennemies first with stab then decimate melee guys with the bouncing long sword when they are close.

[Pat (ty cake)]

Escrito originalmente por Deathclaw99:

I found the Sword being vastly easier early game and against every melee Enemy. You can easily kill most melee Enemies without them dealing damage with no sword upgrades, the same cannot be said about the laser.

How are you supposed to handle the tiny jumping guys? I could probably manage better with the other enemies but it just seems like too many of them get through for me.

['Strict]

Holy necro batman !

But the sword is super easy against small jumping enemies...just make them jump into the edge of your sword =)

So if you have some speed upgrades just swing it from side to side if there's enemies on both sides