Two accounts: red and white, and all the darksteel in the world is yours

[Dead Miside]

You are going to see this scheme in the game more and more often: as you mine your red or yellow vein, you will be approached by 2 guys (who are often 2 accounts of one person), one with the red nickname (PKer) and other is clean. You will be attacked by the red one. If you start fighting him - your vein will be stolen by the other one, and even if you manage to kill the PKer - you won't get your vein back, since you can't attack the white named guy without the penalty. If you ignore the PKer - well, you just die and they take your vein anyway. So there is literally nothing you can do against this exploit. Anyone can have two accounts and get any vein in the world this way. I guess this game won't survive for long.

[Battle Bacon]

You can't kill someone without penalty, outside of the 4th valley floor. You can still attack them off your rocks.

[Dead Miside]

Originally posted by Battle Bacon:

You can't kill someone without penalty, outside of the 4th valley floor. You can still attack them off your rocks.

You don't get it, they don't care about the penalty: they use a separate account which already has penalties for PK, and hop on the vein with the other, "clean" account.

[baddabum666]

and as soon as you don't mine the ore for only 1 second, 2-3-4 bots fall out of the ceiling over the vein and start mining. Today I killed 50+ bots on a red vein within 2 minutes and still had no chance to break down. every time 2-3 died, 2-3 new bots fell out of the ceiling above the ore in the same second. I gave up then.

[Dead Miside]

Recently found out you don't even need a second red account to "steal" mining spots. You can do it without killing the miner, and even using just one account, due to how the game's pvp system works. Trying to mine steel in this game is pure hell: on the one hand you have 7000 chinese bots per location that will always occupy all available spots, on the other hand you have players abusing the broken pvp system and stealing veins while avoiding PK penalty, in limited pvp zones. Getting steel for just your own in-game needs is now hard and frustrating for a regular player because of this, while those chinese investors with bot farms will make a ton of profit out of it.

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Originally posted by baddabum666:

and as soon as you don't mine the ore for only 1 second, 2-3-4 bots fall out of the ceiling over the vein and start mining. Today I killed 50+ bots on a red vein within 2 minutes and still had no chance to break down. every time 2-3 died, 2-3 new bots fell out of the ceiling above the ore in the same second. I gave up then.

i don't think they teleport, they disconnect and change character, on same spot, 5 alts per account, when u kill another alt logs on same spot.

[Dead Miside]

Originally posted by Cromoose:

Originally posted by baddabum666:

and as soon as you don't mine the ore for only 1 second, 2-3-4 bots fall out of the ceiling over the vein and start mining. Today I killed 50+ bots on a red vein within 2 minutes and still had no chance to break down. every time 2-3 died, 2-3 new bots fell out of the ceiling above the ore in the same second. I gave up then.

i don't think they teleport, they disconnect and change character, on same spot, 5 alts per account, when u kill another alt logs on same spot.

How do they log in at the same exact spot then? They would have to walk to the rock from the place they logged out at, which is unlikely to be this exact spot as the other char died. Quite a few bots use actual teleport hack, allowing them to appear instantly on any rock that just had been unoccupied for a millisecond, you can see the teleport hack in action in some mob farming areas sometimes, where those bots will teleport to enemies instantly.

[Cosmoros]

You can always use stun attack on them. Just dont 1 shoot the person.

[Dead Miside]

Originally posted by Auto Chaos RU:

You can always use stun attack on them. Just dont 1 shoot the person.

And then they will take the spot again after you go AFK. And then again. And again.
Also, which Lancer's skill can stun like this? I know you can do it with a regular attack, but it's not guaranteed to succeed at the first try, and they always mine without gear on low-power characters, so you have a very limited number of attempts.

[Garba]

Originally posted by Gautama Bubba:

Originally posted by Auto Chaos RU:

You can always use stun attack on them. Just dont 1 shoot the person.

And then they will take the spot again after you go AFK. And then again. And again.
Also, which Lancer's skill can stun like this? I know you can do it with a regular attack, but it's not guaranteed to succeed at the first try, and they always mine without gear on low-power characters, so you have a very limited number of attempts.

and that's why it doesn't have to be afk.
Besides, it is not necessary to have 2 accounts, just by having clan mates.

[Tal Ara'nh]

Just do this to get the node from the bot:

1. disable retaliate when attacked
2. position your toon near the bot
3. enable automine
4. change stance to hostile, and
5. hit it with one basic attack.

Most basic attacks (at least my warrior does) have a small interrupt. Doing so will disrupt the bot's mining and because you have enabled automine, hopefully you will get the node after the interrupt without PKing the bot. If the first attack does not work, keep on doing it until it does.

Of course try to avoid nodes with multiple bots around. Yes, bots will "teleport" into the node when the current bot is temporarily interrupted but 80% of the time you get the node.

[Tal Ara'nh]

sorry, posted above on the wrong (but similar) discussion, can't delete the entry. :)

[Dead Miside]

Originally posted by Tal Ara'nh:

Just do this to get the node from the bot:

1. disable retaliate when attacked
2. position your toon near the bot
3. enable automine
4. change stance to hostile, and
5. hit it with one basic attack.

Most basic attacks (at least my warrior does) have a small interrupt. Doing so will disrupt the bot's mining and because you have enabled automine, hopefully you will get the node after the interrupt without PKing the bot. If the first attack does not work, keep on doing it until it does.

Of course try to avoid nodes with multiple bots around. Yes, bots will "teleport" into the node when the current bot is temporarily interrupted but 80% of the time you get the node.

Yes, but still it's so much easier to do it with a second account. I play with Lancer, which is the worst class for these things, and I once lost a red rock to a multiboxer because I failed 2 times and his mining char was too weak to try the third time. With two accounts there are no such problems and it alwas succeeds at first try. People mostly use the warlock for her stun spell: just attack a player with your alt warlock and start mining with your main, while the warlock can go wherever and log off if needed. It also makes it easier to steal rocks around enemies, so that if you get their aggro, it's your second accound and not the one you are mining with. And yes, people do this kind of things against regular players too, and I'm sure bots will also learn to do it automatically soon, when bot farms start competing with other bot farms.

[baddabum666]

Originally posted by Cromoose:

Originally posted by baddabum666:

and as soon as you don't mine the ore for only 1 second, 2-3-4 bots fall out of the ceiling over the vein and start mining. Today I killed 50+ bots on a red vein within 2 minutes and still had no chance to break down. every time 2-3 died, 2-3 new bots fell out of the ceiling above the ore in the same second. I gave up then.

i don't think they teleport, they disconnect and change character, on same spot, 5 alts per account, when u kill another alt logs on same spot.

you are really new here or. masses of teleport/speedhacker are from the first minute of release in this game.