Summon champion

[bjarne.lindh]

When i summoned Hero I could get a different one if i reload to turn before casting (like we are used to). But with Summon Champion I get the same one every time... Is the Champion decided when I start the spell or is there only one Champion???

[Lampros]

I've had the same results; perhaps it is decided when you summon?

[bjarne.lindh]

Well, thats ok BUT the so called champion is not what I expected at all... It was Mystic X and he WORSE stats than Serena... He has TEN manapoints and ONE ranged missile??? But I summoned a hero and got the Amazon... SHE has 32 in resistance so shes basically magic immune, will be interesting so see if any champion can top that?

[Syrris]

Mystic X - if he's like the original - is a wild card champion. He's guaranteed to have basic casting power, but otherwise his specials are randomized, so he can be amazing or awful or anything in between.

[Morgian]

I haven't got Mystic X yet, but Aeri performed well, as did Warrax.
Abilities are somewhat random on the champions and heroes. That is to say they have a certain range and base value, which may not be the same for all of them. They usually have one or more fixed abilities, for which we know them, too. They can have the super-version of their core abilities, too, but not always. I have a Roland the Paladin who is a prayer master and a second version who is a super prayer master.
Mystic X is indeed random. He gets five random abilities, and always has a melee and ranged magic attack. His resistance is always good and he has above average hitpoints, as well as a mediocre defense. But it depends wholly on his random powers, if he is useful or not. At least he has the lowest upkeep of all champions :)

[juppsen]

If I reload, I get different chapions.

[ss7877]

Originally posted by bjarne.lindh:

When i summoned Hero I could get a different one if i reload to turn before casting (like we are used to). But with Summon Champion I get the same one every time... Is the Champion decided when I start the spell or is there only one Champion???

Just checked and no problem
Roland the Knight - first time
Aerie the Illusionist - second time
Mystic X - third time

P.S. I'd used manual save before turn's end - not autosave.

[bjarne.lindh]

Ok, good to know. But I got Mystic X 5 times in a row.... What are the odds? And has anyone else got the amazon with 32 in res from start? If its supposed to be like that she is by far the best hero to get early on...

[mshih01]

In the OG, shalla the amazon has charmed ability -- which is supposed to make all saves.

[bjarne.lindh]

I know... But now she comes packed with 32 in res? That makes her nearly magic immune...

[roland.johansen]

In the original MoM, the amazon required a minimum fame level of 20 to get randomly, so you wouldn't get her randomly at the start. She is one of the better fighter heroes, although there are champions that I deem better. And there are many heroes and champions that give bonuses to the entire army that they lead. That is often very valuable and usually the amazon doesn't have such a trait.

You keep referring to her resistance number as if it is something superbly great. She has a very high resistance due to the charmed ability. But usually resistance levels above 10, or maybe a bit higher are not that useful. Resistance is only used to resist certain magical spells that would detrimentally affect the statistics of your unit or change the behaviour of your unit. Very important to save against those effects as otherwise your unit will typically be of very low use in the rest of the fight (or even dead in the case of disintegrate). And you really don't want that with your hero. Some of these spells have a penalty to resist, so best to have a resistance a bit above 10. It also protects against poison.

Any melee, normal ranged, magical ranged attacks, magical damage spells are defended against with the defence score, so that score is usually more important than resistance (after around 10-12 resistance).

[bjarne.lindh]

Yes, but 32 is way higher than any other unit Ive seen in this game... And no, she never had this before. But maybe her charmed ability bugs the resistance window. I regret I didnt test using her at an enemy capitol, if the tower cant harm her we will know.

[roland.johansen]

There are more heroes that can get the special ability charmed. It's useful, but I never found it that great.

[paladinofmm]

I suspect reload the same game file b4 the last turn for summon champion to summon out a random champion for the player may be affected by a seed... when I tried to get one specific champion in mind, it didn't work out. I have mentioned it in another thread and TS mentioned something about random seed, I think it influence the chance of getting a specific champion.

[mshih01]

resistance only impacts saving throws. (e.g. black sleep, confusion, etc). Magical ranged attacks are still effective.

[buchecker]

Originally posted by paladinofmm:

I suspect reload the same game file b4 the last turn for summon champion to summon out a random champion for the player may be affected by a seed... when I tried to get one specific champion in mind, it didn't work out. I have mentioned it in another thread and TS mentioned something about random seed, I think it influence the chance of getting a specific champion.

This (doing fights after saving can influence the value thats then being used), plus some kind of correcting factor because even with different seeds after 1-2 summons i keep getting the same heroes (mostly X, Deth Stryke and the Paladin). The first one seems to be mostly evenly distributed tho.

Originally posted by Syrris:

Mystic X - if he's like the original - is a wild card champion. He's guaranteed to have basic casting power, but otherwise his specials are randomized, so he can be amazing or awful or anything in between.

Usually a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ wildcard, because the skills dont work together.