An option to avoid the Romulus solar disaster.

[Your Mother]

In the yuck JJ Abrams films, I thought destroying the Romulan home system for a singular movie plot point was dumb. I understand the Picard TV show picked on this event and it’s now canon (I suppose).

Even so, there was a remedy in the bad film that would have prevented the disaster. It failed but could have worked.

Given Infinite introduces alternate events as part of the game design, I humbly suggest the Powers behind Infinite provide an option to escape/avoid the JJ Abrams plot error.

[Shockwave 006]

Its already been retconned a little

Remember in the Film it was the Hobus star or whatever that blew up, and the explosion went into warp drive and blew up Romulus.. whatever how dumb.

Its a little better now that they just say the Romulan sun is at the end of its life.. Still dumb it had to happen (in the picard book and in this game)

In STO they have a New Romulus system that they moved to, better then nothing I guess.

I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis.

[Your Mother]

Originally posted by 006:

Its already been retconned a little

Remember in the Film it was the Hobus star or whatever that blew up, and the explosion went into warp drive and blew up Romulus.. whatever how dumb.

Its a little better now that they just say the Romulan sun is at the end of its life.. Still dumb it had to happen (in the picard book and in this game)

In STO they have a New Romulus system that they moved to, better then nothing I guess.

I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis.

Interesting. I didn't know/recall that. I haven't watched STO.

I agree with this sentiment completely: "I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis."

[Shockwave 006]

Originally posted by Your Mother:

Originally posted by 006:

Its already been retconned a little

Remember in the Film it was the Hobus star or whatever that blew up, and the explosion went into warp drive and blew up Romulus.. whatever how dumb.

Its a little better now that they just say the Romulan sun is at the end of its life.. Still dumb it had to happen (in the picard book and in this game)

In STO they have a New Romulus system that they moved to, better then nothing I guess.

I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis.

Interesting. I didn't know/recall that. I haven't watched STO.

I agree with this sentiment completely: "I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis."

Yeah in the Star trek online story there is 2 factions romulan space, Romulan Republic on New Romulus, and the old star empire is still around lead be Sela, so its like a civil war.

not a bad idea, makes it interesting.

[Ragnir]

sto = star trek online, you can play as a romulans, if memory serves right it even starts with the escape and finding new romulus.
since some sto ships are now canon ... but not all of its story,
lets just say stark treks canon is very messy

[Shockwave 006]

Originally posted by Ragnir:

sto = star trek online, you can play as a romulans, if memory serves right it even starts with the escape and finding new romulus.
since some sto ships are now canon ... but not all of its story,
lets just say stark treks canon is very messy

It is, just tell us once and for all whats going on in Cardassian space since DS9, and whats going on in Romulan Space..

[Ruinous]

I swear to god the Romulan campaign is one long troll. Had the sun exploding, borg invasion and war with the klingons all happening *at the same time*. Needless to say, gg. Oh yeh, that ascension perk making your leaders live 250 years longer didn't stop my faction leader dying either. Grrr ;p

[corestandeven]

Yeah, it does seem like Romalan faction is treated rather harshly. Cloaks have no combat value, espionage is not that effective, and you cannot avoid your home system being destroyed.

It seems very odd that the devs seem to have a boner for the Romulan player having to go through canon events, yet completely doesn't care about the Feds, Klings or Caradassians late game canon events - i.e. the Dominion War. Clearly the reason for that is they want to save The Dominion for a DLC. I get that, but why be so strict by insisting on the Romulan JJ Abrams ending for the Roms?

[Lionheart 01]

Personally i think that in the end is a great narrativa chance to tell different and original stories. In the lore after the fall of the Empire the Tal'Shiar take the power and create a puppet state known as the Free Romulan State, who now control a great portion of the romulan space. But thre are systems that have become indipendent, plus the neutral zone has been abolished. This change in many ways the balance of power of the quadrant, and i think is pretty intersting.

[Syn]

Regardless of anything the player should have the option to change this event.
It's a game. And part of the fun of "historical" grand strategy is that you can alter the outcome of events and create alternate timelines.

Imagine if the Eastern Roman Empire *had* to always fall in Europa Universalis, or Japan had no way to win in Hearts of Iron. Wouldn't be much of a game then would it? You just get to pick the winning and losing factions and play on autopilot.

[Bovril Brigadier]

Originally posted by Syn:

Regardless of anything the player should have the option to change this event.
It's a game. And part of the fun of "historical" grand strategy is that you can alter the outcome of events and create alternate timelines.

Imagine if the Eastern Roman Empire *had* to always fall in Europa Universalis, or Japan had no way to win in Hearts of Iron. Wouldn't be much of a game then would it? You just get to pick the winning and losing factions and play on autopilot.

It might legit be what they do in HOI4, save the focus trees for later and sell them as DLC.

[Wilhelm]

Nu-Trek never is canon

[allocater]

> I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis.

Let's include Nemesis too.

As for the topic, I agree. I don't want to live in a time-line where main planets are casually blown up for dumb plot reasons.

[volbound1700]

Originally posted by Syn:

Regardless of anything the player should have the option to change this event.
It's a game. And part of the fun of "historical" grand strategy is that you can alter the outcome of events and create alternate timelines.

Imagine if the Eastern Roman Empire *had* to always fall in Europa Universalis, or Japan had no way to win in Hearts of Iron. Wouldn't be much of a game then would it? You just get to pick the winning and losing factions and play on autopilot.

Great post. Universalis, the developers are getting flamed by this. I think they may change it but it won't happen until we get the first DLC.

[volbound1700]

Originally posted by allocater:

> I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis.

Let's include Nemesis too.

As for the topic, I agree. I don't want to live in a time-line where main planets are casually blown up for dumb plot reasons.

Agree. JJ Abrams ruined the two biggest Space Franchises (Star Trek and Star Wars). Quite an achievement.

Issue is that everyone falls for it at first because he does a good job hyping and his movies come off as not bad/exciting at first but once they are put into a coherent timeline with future IP in the franchise, you realize how much they mess things up and they don't age well.

I remember one stupid comment from the JJ Abrams Star Trek about Vulcans being an endangered species. I was like WTF, did they not settle on other planets besides Vulcan? I hated Vulcan getting destroyed and ditto with Romulus. I mean, even with our technology today, we can identify when a system is going Supernova within a 10 million year span. Basically, going off JJ Abrams logic, either the sun had to be forced to go Supernova by an outside factor or the Romulans settled Romulus knowing their Sun was basically a ticking time bomb.

Also, someone saying they retconned that another star system caused it. That is absurd as well and the writer clearly does not have a great gasp about the true distance between star systems.

[Syn]

Originally posted by volbound1700:

Originally posted by allocater:

> I wish we could De-cannon-ize everything after nemesis.

Let's include Nemesis too.

As for the topic, I agree. I don't want to live in a time-line where main planets are casually blown up for dumb plot reasons.

Agree. JJ Abrams ruined the two biggest Space Franchises (Star Trek and Star Wars). Quite an achievement.

Issue is that everyone falls for it at first because he does a good job hyping and his movies come off as not bad/exciting at first but once they are put into a coherent timeline with future IP in the franchise, you realize how much they mess things up and they don't age well.

I remember one stupid comment from the JJ Abrams Star Trek about Vulcans being an endangered species. I was like WTF, did they not settle on other planets besides Vulcan? I hated Vulcan getting destroyed and ditto with Romulus. I mean, even with our technology today, we can identify when a system is going Supernova within a 10 million year span. Basically, going off JJ Abrams logic, either the sun had to be forced to go Supernova by an outside factor or the Romulans settled Romulus knowing their Sun was basically a ticking time bomb.

Also, someone saying they retconned that another star system caused it. That is absurd as well and the writer clearly does not have a great gasp about the true distance between star systems.

It gets worse than that. In the movie Spock stopped the supernova by using Red Matter to create a black hole in the center of it.
After it happened. Which logically wouldn't do anything. Also, a star that goes nova can collapse into a black hole anyway.
This is the same kind of writing that brought us "COLD FUSION FREEZES THINGS BECAUSE IT HAS THE WORD COLD IN IT LOL" in the next movie.

Yes, before anyone says it. Star Trek is fiction, and has many impossible elements. But there's a difference between sci-fi that pretends to be plausible in-universe and stupidly using sciencey words in a context that makes zero sense.