Heh... "First ST grand strategy game"

[Terminus]

You think anybody has told the devs about Star Trek Birth of the Federation? :D

[Shockwave 006]

Originally posted by Zendu:

Originally posted by 006:

Dude, I just played a game to turn 700 yesterday with no problems large map, again DxWnd

No lag, nothing the entire time.

I know its hard to believe, I was shocked too.

i got BOTF from same source and runs flawlessly for me too . no need for infinite now it can sit in my library till its improved or not

I dont know how they did with DxWnd, i'm still in awe.

[uwot]

Originally posted by twitch.tv/philyb1701:

Originally posted by 006:

This game got me playing BOTF again

BOTF runs perfect with DxWnd. no laggy mouse at all, turns are not slow anymore with modern computers.

Really amazing its the best its ever ran.

get it from here

https://www.armadafleetcommand.com/onscreen/botf/viewtopic.php?t=3509

Install just the core game, and tools, and run Dxwnd.. This is the first time since the game came out ive seen it run flawlessly.

Done a few BOTF games already on the large map with this, no slow turns, no mouse lag, nothing, perfect.

BotF has a fundamental technical flaw with a memory leak that means the turns run extremely slow from around turn 90. It has never been truly fixed,but the main problem is the engine was never meant to handle the sheer numbers that those mods introduce and the AI can't handle it which leads to long processing times.

Interesting. It runs so well on my machine. I guess YMMV.

[Catsander]

Point of making franchise games is sticking to the lore so that those who are not familiar with the star trek universe can learn about the lore when playing.

When people who are uninitiated into the ST lore play this game they get a very distorted picture of the star trek universe especially its proportions.

So I am still waiting for the first ST grand strategy game that somewhat corresponds to the series and movies. You're supposed to have thousands of colonies and ships. Not 4 or 5 lol.

[Sole Survivor]

Wouldnt BotF be considered a 4X game? So yes. first ST "Grand strategy" seems accurate to me.

[Shockwave 006]

Who the heck made up this term anyways? all these game types used to just be called 4x

Sure it was Paradox's doing so they feel more special.

Cant we just call a spade a spade here.

"What card are you holding in your hand" "That's a spade!" "No, its a grand spade!"

[jx1701a]

Want to confirm that BOTF mods run fine on my win 10 PC.
Now that Galactic Civilization 4 Supernova is out maybe there can be a Star Trek conversion. I just saw a video and the gameplay looks very similar to BOTF, except fo the battles, that looks in a way worse with less options.

[Shockwave 006]

Originally posted by jx1701a:

Want to confirm that BOTF mods run fine on my win 10 PC.
Now that Galactic Civilization 4 Supernova is out maybe there can be a Star Trek conversion. I just saw a video and the gameplay looks very similar to BOTF, except fo the battles, that looks in a way worse with less options.

How funny is that huh? All these games have absolute trash combat, and have not managed to to pass the bar BOTF has, and im not saying BOTF combat is prefect it needs work for sure. but compared to what we get now?

If there ever was a BOTF 2, I picture it having combat a bit similar to Battlestar Galactica Deadlock

[Soccer]

Originally posted by 006:

Originally posted by twitch.tv/philyb1701:

BotF has a fundamental technical flaw with a memory leak that means the turns run extremely slow from around turn 90. It has never been truly fixed,but the main problem is the engine was never meant to handle the sheer numbers that those mods introduce and the AI can't handle it which leads to long processing times.

Dude, I just played a game to turn 700 yesterday with no problems large map, again DxWnd

No lag, nothing the entire time.

Turns never got longer then 5 seconds also.

I know its hard to believe, I was shocked too.

I am glad it runs much better then back in the days for you.

What about multiplayer?

Personaly i am fine with infinite, as i do not want to switch back to turn-based.

[Soccer]

Originally posted by Vali:

I liiked BOTF, but I hope this one will be better. It has the foundation and the potential.

Just need polishing.

Yeah the desyncs need to be fixed.

[Shockwave 006]

Originally posted by UFL40:

Originally posted by 006:

Dude, I just played a game to turn 700 yesterday with no problems large map, again DxWnd

No lag, nothing the entire time.

Turns never got longer then 5 seconds also.

I know its hard to believe, I was shocked too.

I am glad it runs much better then back in the days for you.

What about multiplayer?

Personaly i am fine with infinite, as i do not want to switch back to turn-based.

Have a Mutiplayer game in progress now! So you get this program called "LogMeIn Hamachi" and have everyone connect to that, that program makes it look like you are all on LAN, worked without a problem.

[uwot]

Originally posted by 006:

Originally posted by UFL40:

I am glad it runs much better then back in the days for you.

What about multiplayer?

Personaly i am fine with infinite, as i do not want to switch back to turn-based.

Have a Mutiplayer game in progress now! So you get this program called "LogMeIn Hamachi" and have everyone connect to that, that program makes it look like you are all on LAN, worked without a problem.

Don't forget GameRanger. If you have a problem with Hamachi, try this one. There are some discord channels for someone looking for a game with others.

[Howard Roark]

Originally posted by 006:

Who the heck made up this term anyways? all these game types used to just be called 4x

Sure it was Paradox's doing so they feel more special.

Cant we just call a spade a spade here.

"What card are you holding in your hand" "That's a spade!" "No, its a grand spade!"

I do think Paradox made the term (or at least it was first used to refer to their games) but I disagree that they are just re-branded 4x. Now that is true of Stellaris and ST:I, but Paradox got started on historical strategy games like Europa Universalis and Victoria. These games have major differences from 4x games; you have a fixed map with fixed nations playing in a roughly historical timeline. They are definitely strategy games but not traditional 4x.

Perhaps a term like Historical Strategy would have been better, but at least nowadays Grand Strategy refers to a distinct category of games that is related to but distinct from the 4x genre.

Paradox is just being lazy and calling their 4x games Grand Strategy because that's what they have traditionally made.

[Apothys]

we gave up on BOTF because the Large MP battles would keep crashing, did they ever fix that?

[Shockwave 006]

I still get the rare crash here and there but can get back in fast with the auto save, did a few big battles like one with 70 ships, did not crash.