What is the point of evidence?

[Traslo]

Hey folks, just did the tutorial, it seems we just identify ghost type by their description so what even is hte point of gathering evidence? I kept finding evidence and at no point does that help me work out what the ghost is.

Edit: We finally worked out how the evidence works for how it helps you work out exorcism. This was probably the most poorly explained tutorial part I've ever seen in any game. It seems like a very interesting mechanic and I like that but it was explained so poorly.

[Zothen]

I like the idea of ghosts becomming increasingly more aggressive the more you annoy them. Even up to the point where it becomes so dangerous that you better abandon the job. That would definatly add a new aspect to the current iterations of ghost hunting games.

Especially, if properly balanced, you gain a new nuance of risk/reward gameplay by how hard/aggressive you approach the ghost to excorise it.

On top it would lead to different approaches of generally aggressive or more passive ghosts.
Food for thought.

[Kaisoku]

You get money for correctly entering the right evidence. There's a number of evidence that have the same ritual requirement, so just "hitting the ghost with salt" or "using holy water on the pentagram" won't net you full xp/money unless you figure out WHY you needed to do that.

引用自 Zothen：

I like the idea of ghosts becomming increasingly more aggressive the more you annoy them.

Unless it was taken out, that actually already exists!

The things you say out loud can make the ghost act out, but at the risk of making it more aggressive.
Saying nicer things like "hello, I'm friendly, I'm here to help you" can slightly calm it, while asking it to do simpler things like "can you come here, can you move something/open a door" will increase aggression a little.

You can also risk greatly increasing the aggression if you ask for evidence giving stuff like "say something" for Spirit Box, or "write in the book" for book writing/drawing.
Also, high aggression with telling it you are here to exorcise it, telling it to attack you, or some reactive responses like cursing or saying you are scared.

I typically am a more aggressive playstyle player, so I charge in with a camera looking for the orbs and then demand "say something, write something" with the spirit box and book... then have to deal with an angry ghost for quite a while, lol.
This got me killed a couple times when I started playing Multi-Entity... hard to handle high aggression so early with two ghosts, ack.

[Zothen]

引用自 Kaisoku：

You get money for correctly entering the right evidence. There's a number of evidence that have the same ritual requirement, so just "hitting the ghost with salt" or "using holy water on the pentagram" won't net you full xp/money unless you figure out WHY you needed to do that.

Thats plain and simply wrong. You get a feedback if you applied the correct procedure and its pretty easy to track them back to the proper evidences and enter them.
Tested that countless times. Saves a lot of time and renders the current evidence gathering system mostly obsolete.
At least try it for yourself before you jump to such unfounded assumptions.

[☠Dragnoros, der Wächter]

he is right. you notice it when you have 2 ghosts and you ecerxise 1 ghost but you get the another ghost too with some steps. you check which evidence you need to get this step and after this you have it.

easiest ghost is the clown with the unique call if you did 1 step

[Roodwick]

Hello!
The game is still in Early Access, and we still have a lot of content to add/polish, plenty of which is planned, and in the works.

One example is a "perfect" exorcism mechanic, which is not completed/implemented yet -
We plan to both provide a benefit to players who have not attempted incorrect exorcism steps on an entity, while also punishing players who repeatedly attempt incorrect evidence steps.

This is a careful balance, so we want to make sure this gets done right - which is why it is currently not available in the game (yet).

There is a mountain of fixes and content still in the works.

[Kaisoku]

引用自 Zothen：

Thats plain and simply wrong. You get a feedback if you applied the correct procedure and its pretty easy to track them back to the proper evidences and enter them.
Tested that countless times. Saves a lot of time and renders the current evidence gathering system mostly obsolete.
At least try it for yourself before you jump to such unfounded assumptions.

I have run into several combinations that will give the same ritual requirement for two different evidences of the same type.
For example: Reading the exorcism book might be the correct ritual (and give the right feedback), but when you select the different audio evidence options, both Radio and EVP give the exorcism book as a ritual requirement. If you are left with this, then you are stuck guessing which one is right (unless the ghost is still alive and you can go confirm with the tool).
There's a few like that... writing/drawing and the pentagram, and "hurt with <something>" can be another, though I forget precisely which evidence that was.

The point was, you will still exorcise the ghost but the end result will be a loss of money for a wrong evidence if you guessed wrong. So it is still best to try and get the correct evidence with tools if you want to be certain of complete success.

[Zothen]

引用自 Kaisoku：

I have run into several combinations that will give the same ritual requirement for two different evidences of the same type.
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The point was, you will still exorcise the ghost but the end result will be a loss of money for a wrong evidence if you guessed wrong. So it is still best to try and get the correct evidence with tools if you want to be certain of complete success.

Well, yes. But only if you lack the skill, or experience, to cross-reference evidences and procedures. Theres still a slight chance for a wrong pick, but proper cross-referencing usually rules them out.

So its NOT "still best" to get evidences via tools and I think you never tried without properly before you jumped to unproven conclusions. No offense.

[Zothen]

引用自 Roo：

Hello!
The game is still in Early Access, and we still have a lot of content to add/polish, plenty of which is planned, and in the works.

Thanks a lot for chiming in on this topic and sharing info! Kudos!

[Kaisoku]

引用自 Zothen：

So its NOT "still best" to get evidences via tools and I think you never tried without properly before you jumped to unproven conclusions. No offense.

I have literally sat there having witnessed the rest of the rituals complete, the ghost gone and confirmed everything but audio and having the exorcism be the clue.
I have all the evidence in there with Radio and look at the requirements: exorcism book. I go back to evidence and switch to EVP and look at the rituals: exorcism book.

It isn't all evidence, and it isn't every situation. But it does come up on occasion. I don't see what "cross referencing" could be done to solve this one.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see the game expanded upon! I'm not saying "don't do anything because it already has this".
I was just pointing out that you can get put in a corner sometimes and while you can complete the mission, there's risk of loss of money if you end up with one of those combinations.