I want to kill Tabitha so badly

[KocLobster]

♥♥♥♥♥ thinks I'm her property or something. I'm going to be eternally frustrated when I know the game inevitably will not give me the ability to get her killed.


I haven't finished the 4th episode yet but nothing will make me change my mind.

[KocLobster]

Publicado originalmente por stone.fire.smoke:

Don't forget Tabby had Pearlanne for a mother, notorious gossip, taskmaster boss and apparently super controlling. its not much of a leap to see how Tabitha turned out, hearing her entire life how the MC's mother abandoned the family, being shown the only way to be successful was to be overbearing to your employees, being denied the love of a close friend (Stella), having it drilled into you how important being a Scarlet was and maintaining the "legacy".

We don't know all the details, but she and Wayne were very close, and that didn't seem to turn out the way Tabby wanted, she's isolating herself for protection, being abrasive keeps people away so she can't get hurt. if you invest a little time with her, you begin to see a change.

You may have won me over a bit. It won't be easy but on my next play through I will probably try to be nicer to her. It's also kind of tough because once or twice you have to choose between hanging out with her or hanging out with a romantic interest.

[stone.fire.smoke]

I've done both sides of the issue on various play-thrus; TBH giving her the cold shoulder only felt good at first; once I realized how absolute crap her life is, I felt sorry for her character.

Tabby even tells you she doesn't want the life she has; she's realized she will die old, alone and disliked like every Scarlet before her. She's actually a victim of circumstances (her own and the family's) and the curse.

[Kurozora Konoi]

Publicado originalmente por ethel:

I find this post pretty interesting, because it made me realize that if I knew Tabitha in real life I would completely agree with OP. If an estranged family member is rude and condescending to me, I'm not going to extend myself to try and "get on their good side" for no reason lmao. Especially once Tabitha grabbed one of my MCs in a run where I was generally polite/firm and chose the right dialogue options, but I didn't choose to hang out with her. I don't really care about the "why", if it's because they had a controlling parent or a bad childhood, that doesn't change a persons behavior. But because this is a visual novel, and a lot of the entertainment factor comes from actively befriending people, Tabitha is one of my favorite characters!

I sort of agree in that I wouldn't like her in real life, but then again I don't like a lot of people in real life and I'd probably hate most of the LIs if they were real people too haha - or at least I'd ignore them and not interact with them. Only one I'd probably get along would be Reese so yeah...
But I don't self insert. I decide of my MCs personality, and pick the choice options depending on that. So what I'd do in real life is not really relevant.

[Mngwa]

Paradoxically the story where MC prefers Tabitha in decisions and keeps helping her is the most interesting and touching storyline I played so far. She starts as unlikable and bossy character but with patience player progressively learns that she is a victim, cursed by family legacy she did not choose and who resigned at any resemblance of normal life. Another thing is that her "monster" mother did not give her even remotely normal childhood, healthy motherly love and isolated her from Stella and basically whole town. No way she could have turned out as pleasant and nice person in these conditions and the story is written so cleverly that you sometimes can see the influences of her screwed up bringing up in her behaviour.
As story unfolds Tabitha puts off her obnoxious and harsh front to reveal her better traits and it is this three-dimensional psychology of her character that I enjoyed so much.

Also the 4ep ending where both MC and Tabitha find and console Stella together and then these two even reconcile is imho just one of the best parts of the whole game. I did not manage to have this beautiful ending with Tabitha not being friendly enough.

[Kurozora Konoi]

I'm still sad I couldn't get that scene with both MC and Tabby going to see Stella.
Sadly, it's impossible to me since I can't call Tabby during the whole Reese incident (I theoretically COULD, but it would be OOC for my character to do so)

[DarkCrow]

It would not surprise me if it turned out MC both Tabby and MC are the cats. There could be some bad blood running in Scarlet family (Per their medical records)

[whitneygal]

I know Kaneeka thinks Tabitha is horrible, but the way Stella talked about Tabitha made me realize that there was a sweet, smart, extremely lonely person underneath those sharp edges. If anyone ever needed friends, it's this gal.

Tabitha is a curmudgeon, and true curmudgeons always have real heart to them. IRL I take great pleasure in wearing down curmudgeons until they show some joy. That was pretty much the tactic I used with Tabitha. I still made my own decisions, but I included her in them.

Publicado originalmente por Mngwa:

Paradoxically the story where MC prefers Tabitha in decisions and keeps helping her is the most interesting and touching storyline I played so far.

I agree completely.

Tabitha is in a no-win, miserable situation. She shoulders an overwhelming burden -- not just her family history, but also trying to keep the mines running because they're the only real source of employment and income for Scarlet Hollow. She was raised by a monstrous woman who isolated her from friends, lovers, and family. All she wants to do is be a bank teller.

[Mngwa]

Publicado originalmente por whitneygal:

I know Kaneeka thinks Tabitha is horrible, but the way Stella talked about Tabitha made me realize that there was a sweet, smart, extremely lonely person underneath those sharp edges. If anyone ever needed friends, it's this gal.

Tabitha is a curmudgeon, and true curmudgeons always have real heart to them. IRL I take great pleasure in wearing down curmudgeons until they show some joy. That was pretty much the tactic I used with Tabitha. I still made my own decisions, but I included her in them.

Publicado originalmente por Mngwa:

Paradoxically the story where MC prefers Tabitha in decisions and keeps helping her is the most interesting and touching storyline I played so far.

I agree completely.

Tabitha is in a no-win, miserable situation. She shoulders an overwhelming burden -- not just her family history, but also trying to keep the mines running because they're the only real source of employment and income for Scarlet Hollow. She was raised by a monstrous woman who isolated her from friends, lovers, and family. All she wants to do is be a bank teller.

Glad someone sees that similarly. It just felt wrong to dismiss Tabitha just because she was annoying and ♥♥♥♥♥♥, yet her roughness did not feel like something that she would do with evil intent. Also there were some visible sparks of goodness even in the beginning. Like when she followed MC in the mine despite her better judgment or covered for MC when policemen were harrasing her and such. Or saving MC from mutated Reese. She is often obnoxious but always helpful and protective. Sometimes maybe a little too much but I understood that as outcome of her horrible upbringing by controlling and evil mother. And in case of Tabitha I did not feel like she is being manipulative or evil at all. More like overstressed and resignated., the hardy attitude is half her upbringing, half a mask. She just wants to save the mine and town and to protect MC but does not have a grasp on concept of boundaries and social interactions, because she was never let to have neither of those.

[Kurozora Konoi]

Publicado originalmente por Mngwa:

Publicado originalmente por whitneygal:

I know Kaneeka thinks Tabitha is horrible, but the way Stella talked about Tabitha made me realize that there was a sweet, smart, extremely lonely person underneath those sharp edges. If anyone ever needed friends, it's this gal.

Tabitha is a curmudgeon, and true curmudgeons always have real heart to them. IRL I take great pleasure in wearing down curmudgeons until they show some joy. That was pretty much the tactic I used with Tabitha. I still made my own decisions, but I included her in them.



I agree completely.

Tabitha is in a no-win, miserable situation. She shoulders an overwhelming burden -- not just her family history, but also trying to keep the mines running because they're the only real source of employment and income for Scarlet Hollow. She was raised by a monstrous woman who isolated her from friends, lovers, and family. All she wants to do is be a bank teller.

Glad someone sees that similarly. It just felt wrong to dismiss Tabitha just because she was annoying and ♥♥♥♥♥♥, yet her roughness did not feel like something that she would do with evil intent. Also there were some visible sparks of goodness even in the beginning. Like when she followed MC in the mine despite her better judgment or covered for MC when policemen were harrasing her and such. Or saving MC from mutated Reese. She is often obnoxious but always helpful and protective. Sometimes maybe a little too much but I understood that as outcome of her horrible upbringing by controlling and evil mother. And in case of Tabitha I did not feel like she is being manipulative or evil at all. More like overstressed and resignated., the hardy attitude is half her upbringing, half a mask. She just wants to save the mine and town and to protect MC but does not have a grasp on concept of boundaries and social interactions, because she was never let to have neither of those.

Huh, that's an interesting perspective! I mean, the part about her being overprotective or not having a grasp of boundaries.
My MC is an extremely protective person, and one who also tends to try and shoulder as much as he can to relieve other people. But because of that, he totally understands Tabby acting the way she does since they are pretty similar in that regard. Which means since my vision is "tainted" by my MC (as it should, since I'm immersed in the story), I never even saw her as being too protective or not respectful of boundaries.
Maybe that's why my MC and her have such a "natural" relationship, and at the end of the day one that's pretty "easy". Basically my MC doesn't have to make compromises to try and please her nor does he have to oppose her really, since they basically are on the same wavelenght most of the time.
That also means any disagreements are quickly sorted.

And that despite the fact my MC is usually a very trusting ray of sunshine and Tabby the opposite.

[Zefirez]

I must say I was dissapointed that in chapter 4 whenever I called her to the clinic, she'd always arrive with a shotgun even if I chose the "hi, just pick me up!" option without any hinting that there's danger afoot.

Reese warns us after transforming to call her off so there won't be two corpses, so naturally one would expect we could be malicious here and let things play out on their own, feeding our boy Reese a double serving for supper. But nope. No can do..

[Kurozora Konoi]

Publicado originalmente por Zefirez:

I must say I was dissapointed that in chapter 4 whenever I called her to the clinic, she'd always arrive with a shotgun even if I chose the "hi, just pick me up!" option without any hinting that there's danger afoot.

Reese warns us after transforming to call her off so there won't be two corpses, so naturally one would expect we could be malicious here and let things play out on their own, feeding our boy Reese a double serving for supper. But nope. No can do..

Really? I was under the impression I had read somewhere that you can call her without it unfolding into a bloodbath. But maybe I've misunderstood the information... My MC wouldn't call her anyway, since... well, he didn't really feel in danger at any point. And if he had, that would be one more reason NOT to call her - for her safety (with my MC being so protective).

[gruedragon]

Publicado originalmente por Kurozora Konoi:

Publicado originalmente por Zefirez:

I must say I was dissapointed that in chapter 4 whenever I called her to the clinic, she'd always arrive with a shotgun even if I chose the "hi, just pick me up!" option without any hinting that there's danger afoot.

Reese warns us after transforming to call her off so there won't be two corpses, so naturally one would expect we could be malicious here and let things play out on their own, feeding our boy Reese a double serving for supper. But nope. No can do..

Really? I was under the impression I had read somewhere that you can call her without it unfolding into a bloodbath. But maybe I've misunderstood the information... My MC wouldn't call her anyway, since... well, he didn't really feel in danger at any point. And if he had, that would be one more reason NOT to call her - for her safety (with my MC being so protective).

When you call her, Tabby always shows up with her shotgun, but you can keep from from killing Reese.

(Your MC never felt any danger from Reese hulking out into a monster and wanting to eat his mother?)

[Zefirez]

Publicado originalmente por gruedragon:

(Your MC never felt any danger from Reese hulking out into a monster and wanting to eat his mother?)

Not the guy you're asking but while we're on this specific subject - I feel we're missing a crucial dialog option here:

"- Why the long face?"

[Kurozora Konoi]

Publicado originalmente por gruedragon:

(Your MC never felt any danger from Reese hulking out into a monster and wanting to eat his mother?)

Not really, no.
He 100% trusted Reese. The ones he didn't trust anymore at that point were Wayne and Joan. But between his confidence in his own athletic abilities and precisely the fact Reese was a damn monster (summonning even more "monsters"), why would he be afraid?
Sure, he would have liked to be able to stop Reese from killing his mother, but he also understands why he wanted to kill her considering what she did to him.
His main concerns were preventing Wayne from killing Reese and preventing Joan from sedating him.

[Raywhisper]

Someone is edgy, wow. Why would you wish to kill the most charismatic character in the whole game?