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mslittlerin Dec 10, 2022 @ 5:36pm
Reese's romance. Is this the end or there is still hope?
I'm more than sure that developers won't answer this question because it's obviously a spoiler, but do you think it will be possible to lock the romance with Reese if he remains human (you helped his mom) in the next episode?
I didn't have the "hot" trait and I didn't want him to do something that he will very probably regret later (this is only my opinion). So I'm worried, if there'll be another chance? What do you think?
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Kurozora Konoi Dec 10, 2022 @ 5:48pm 
I've thought about it a lot, and... it's hard to tell, actually.

Thing is, the way I see it, there is no "remaining human" here. Obviously this is my opinion only - or well, my view of things - but I don't see him as human, period. So basically, I view this change as something that had to happen for his good and for his normal developpement as an individual. It's simply what he is. So, based on that, I'd say it wouldn't be right nor healthy to try and be in a relationship with someone while not accepting what he is. It would be asking "I like you, but you need to change your very nature if you want me to be with you", sort of? Does that make sense? Also well... even if we disregard that, there's also the fact he must feel so betrayed and hurt if the MC did select to "poison" him again, to lock him up again. It's pretty messed up to wish for a relationship based on such foundations / in such conditions. Again, this is only my opinion here! I feel like Reese regretting killing his mother is, ultimately, the lesser evil when compared to him being locked up and poisoned all over again, and in even worse conditions than before.
But well, then again I'm both sad at what happened to the doc in my playthrough, and I also see it as a sort of poetic retribution and something that sort of... had to happen? So I don't actually regret not having the hot trait!

I don't know if that helps you though haha...
mslittlerin Dec 10, 2022 @ 9:04pm 
Originally posted by Kurozora Konoi:
I've thought about it a lot, and... it's hard to tell, actually.

Thing is, the way I see it, there is no "remaining human" here. Obviously this is my opinion only - or well, my view of things - but I don't see him as human, period. So basically, I view this change as something that had to happen for his good and for his normal developpement as an individual. It's simply what he is. So, based on that, I'd say it wouldn't be right nor healthy to try and be in a relationship with someone while not accepting what he is. It would be asking "I like you, but you need to change your very nature if you want me to be with you", sort of? Does that make sense? Also well... even if we disregard that, there's also the fact he must feel so betrayed and hurt if the MC did select to "poison" him again, to lock him up again. It's pretty messed up to wish for a relationship based on such foundations / in such conditions. Again, this is only my opinion here! I feel like Reese regretting killing his mother is, ultimately, the lesser evil when compared to him being locked up and poisoned all over again, and in even worse conditions than before.
But well, then again I'm both sad at what happened to the doc in my playthrough, and I also see it as a sort of poetic retribution and something that sort of... had to happen? So I don't actually regret not having the hot trait!

I don't know if that helps you though haha...

Well you see, the point is that I want to romance him as he is, show him and HIS MOTHER, that his true self is not a monster. But also the main problem with misunderstanding will remain. He keeps thinking that his mother wanted him dead.

In my canon playthrough, he was locked up because I couldn't let him kill the doctor. I can only assume, but he may feel guilty and scared after his emotions calms down and he realizes what he did. He don't want to be a monster, just free. So idk, but I don't thinks let him take a revenge is a nice decision for the future outcome. His emotions are high because of the intensified due the transformation. But he isn't the person who willingly want to kill someone, especially his mother, even if her methods are too radical. He just couldn't control himself.

I even replayed episode 4 with the "hot" trait just to see moment with Reese and it really helped me to understand his emotions better. At least I hope I understood them correctly.

Also Doc said that she will locked him up, but also will talk to him so that he would understand her point of view. So I hope that MC will also participate in this conversation. Maybe they'll help Kelly emrace her son's true essence. And also tell her to stop giving him what Sybil advised. And ofc the stone seal still in clinik. Basically, that's quite typical, but Reese and his mom need to sit down together and talk. Like TALK their thoughts through their mouth. It's quite effective way to understand another person. Maybe I'm too naive, but I hope MC can reconcile them.

That's why I really, like really hope that Reese still can be romanced in next eps if he stays alive/is locked up/runs somewhere in the woods. Not everyone has the trait 'hot' and it will be so sad not to lock his romance just because of this. This game is extremely variable, so it will be very disappointing, if we won't be allowed to explain that we didn't betray him, but wanted him to listen to his mother when he calms down.
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Kurozora Konoi Dec 10, 2022 @ 9:12pm 
As far as I know, as long as he ran away, the romance is ongoing, no matter the exact circumstances. I mean, I literally STARTED the romance after he killed the doc (and the devs confirmed in a different topic that he'll be back).
It's if he's locked up that I have my doubts about.
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mslittlerin Dec 10, 2022 @ 9:26pm 
Originally posted by Kurozora Konoi:
As far as I know, as long as he ran away, the romance is ongoing, no matter the exact circumstances. I mean, I literally STARTED the romance after he killed the doc (and the devs confirmed in a different topic that he'll be back).
It's if he's locked up that I have my doubts about.

I just found this on discord: chapter 4 is the only lock-in for oscar and reese
Well. If that's true, thats sad. Now I don't even know what to do. It's so wrong to me. I'm really sad, I would like Reese to forgive and understand his mother, and she accepted his identity either. But it turns out that without the right trait you can't do well. Even if in Reese's case, he just needed to talk to his mom.
Kurozora Konoi Dec 10, 2022 @ 9:31pm 
Well, I guess this is, after all, the point of these critical choices affected by traits.
To me, there is no good ending to Episodes 1 and 3 without the "right" trait (I have it for Ep1 but not for Ep3), but to other people it will be a different Episode that really doesn't have a "good" outcome without the right trait.
I sort of understand why there will be no other lock-in for Reese though, considering the events. I feel like if he escapes, well then the bond has to be strong enough at this point, or it won't really move forward after that. And if the situation goes back to what it was before, well, I've already said what I think about it in my first answer.

But now I'm curious as to why it's also the only lock-in Episode for Oscar.
I guess I didn't interact enough with him to know all the subtleties, but still, it doesn't feel as if there was any form of urgency so far. Maybe it's something that'll come up in the future though.
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mslittlerin Dec 10, 2022 @ 9:41pm 
Yep, we just have to wait.
And I'll go replay the 4 ep, I'll allow the son to eat his mother lol
blacktabbygames  [developer] Dec 11, 2022 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Kurozora Konoi:
But now I'm curious as to why it's also the only lock-in Episode for Oscar. I guess I didn't interact enough with him to know all the subtleties, but still, it doesn't feel as if there was any form of urgency so far. Maybe it's something that'll come up in the future though.

Mostly this is about Oscar's role in the narrative — it's less about there being *urgency* in Episode 4, per se, and more about us not really having a future lock-in point for him in mind.

Oscar is also, funnily enough, the most complicated character to write from a branching-narratives perspective, since two major decisions revolving around him has created a massive number of worldstates for the guy. Further complicating that with *more* lock-in opportunities is just unnecessary labor, since we would:

1) Need to find a way to make *those* lock-ins fit in
2) Lock in 2 would need to dovetail into lock-in 1. Episode 4's romance lock-in flavors Oscar's content for the rest of the game in specific ways that would be hard to replicate from a later lock-in point.

Just one of those situations where we need to be mindful as writers about how much extra effort would go into creating more content vs the payoff of that effort!
Kurozora Konoi Dec 11, 2022 @ 9:10am 
Originally posted by blacktabbygames:
Oscar is also, funnily enough, the most complicated character to write from a branching-narratives perspective, since two major decisions revolving around him has created a massive number of worldstates for the guy. Further complicating that with *more* lock-in opportunities is just unnecessary labor, since we would:

1) Need to find a way to make *those* lock-ins fit in
2) Lock in 2 would need to dovetail into lock-in 1. Episode 4's romance lock-in flavors Oscar's content for the rest of the game in specific ways that would be hard to replicate from a later lock-in point.

Just one of those situations where we need to be mindful as writers about how much extra effort would go into creating more content vs the payoff of that effort!

Aaah I get it!
It's true that I didn't look at it from this perspective, but it makes sense!
Thank you!
Foelhe Dec 11, 2022 @ 9:15pm 
Originally posted by mslittlerin:
I just found this on discord: chapter 4 is the only lock-in for oscar and reese
Well. If that's true, thats sad. Now I don't even know what to do. It's so wrong to me. I'm really sad, I would like Reese to forgive and understand his mother, and she accepted his identity either. But it turns out that without the right trait you can't do well. Even if in Reese's case, he just needed to talk to his mom.

Sorry, who said that on discord? I didn't think the devs were giving away those kinds of spoilers yet.
Kurozora Konoi Dec 12, 2022 @ 6:02am 
Well, I'm not on the discord, but the fact they didn't say it was not true in one of the comments here, and that they even explained the reasoning for Oscar makes me think it's basically confirmation the information is true
Foelhe Dec 12, 2022 @ 1:51pm 
Yeah, I somehow completely missed that post. My bad.
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