GNOSIA
Quitch Dec 6, 2024 @ 4:17am
How did they figure our Definite Enemy in this situation?
https://imgur.com/a/e3tBn45

In the above situation, Stella reports that Kukrushka is a Definite Enemy. I'm at a bit of a loss as to how that holds with the information available. Can anyone explain?
Originally posted by HAWAIIANpikachu:
There's a bit to unpack here, so lets go with this one by one with the information I have.

We're in a 3 Gnosia game with an AC Follower. Assuming all these claims are D1...

Kukrushka's information on D2: Setsu is Human, conflicts with Gina's information that Setsu is Gnosia. Therefore, from the crews perspective, at least 1 person has lied about the true result and the other has told the correct.

Thus, if we assume that Kukrushka is human, from her point of view, Sha-Ming has to be the real doctor since she knows Gina is lying.

However, if we total the amount of Gnosia claimed by Sha-Ming AND Kukrushka. It's 4. (Sha-Ming states Chipie and Jonas, while Kukrushka states Sha-Ming and Stella).

Since Kukrushka's information conflicts with both doctors, the only way Kukrushka's information could possibly be true is if Gina and Sha-Ming are both evil. But given this is a D1 claim, the real Doctor will be among the claims.

Thus, the only possibility is that Kukrushka is 100% lying since neither Doctor claim agrees with her information.
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HAWAIIANpikachu Dec 6, 2024 @ 5:16am 
There's a bit to unpack here, so lets go with this one by one with the information I have.

We're in a 3 Gnosia game with an AC Follower. Assuming all these claims are D1...

Kukrushka's information on D2: Setsu is Human, conflicts with Gina's information that Setsu is Gnosia. Therefore, from the crews perspective, at least 1 person has lied about the true result and the other has told the correct.

Thus, if we assume that Kukrushka is human, from her point of view, Sha-Ming has to be the real doctor since she knows Gina is lying.

However, if we total the amount of Gnosia claimed by Sha-Ming AND Kukrushka. It's 4. (Sha-Ming states Chipie and Jonas, while Kukrushka states Sha-Ming and Stella).

Since Kukrushka's information conflicts with both doctors, the only way Kukrushka's information could possibly be true is if Gina and Sha-Ming are both evil. But given this is a D1 claim, the real Doctor will be among the claims.

Thus, the only possibility is that Kukrushka is 100% lying since neither Doctor claim agrees with her information.
Quitch Dec 6, 2024 @ 6:18am 
Many thanks for the breakdown, and yes all claims were day 1. I really shafted Kukrushka here as she wanted to take out Stella at the end of day 4, but I went for Remnan. I'm not sure if without Stella there's anyone left capable of making a Definite Enemy claim.

I still managed to snatch a win on this though despite my best efforts to the contrary.
Last edited by Quitch; Dec 6, 2024 @ 6:19am
HAWAIIANpikachu Dec 6, 2024 @ 7:51am 
More than Half the cast can make definite enemy/human claims.

Setsu, Gina, Raqio, Stella, Jonas, Otome, Remnan, Yuriko all can. (And the player when they have the skill). It's possible without Stella, Kukrushka would have targeted someone else. But Kukrushka is likely to blunder due to her low logic.
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