"Why am I shadowbanned": A discussion

[Ellen]

>join RANKED game
>spawn miles away from teammates
>die while someone is coming to help you
>disconnect before they even have a chance to pick up your revive token
why am shadowban :(((

[Xion]

We will also start seeing threads of "Why was I banned , I was doing nothing wrong" shortly

[VoiD]

Originally posted by satokowashingmachine:

>join RANKED game
>spawn miles away from teammates
>die while someone is coming to help you
>disconnect before they even have a chance to pick up your revive token
why am shadowban :(((

The main issue is not the punishment, it's the fact the game's not being honest about it.

The popup doesn't say this will happen if you quit, new players that don't know what's allowed have to guess when it's ok to quit, if they can even figure out there's an issue with quitting at all.

And when you get banned, the game doesn't have a counter, a timer, nothing, you don't even know you're being punished for something you had no idea was supposed to be wrong, you don't even know when you can get back and start playing the game again, all you'll see is a dead lobby, matches that take forever to start and when they do you're just fighting a bunch of bots.

It's no wonder the system killed the game, any reasonable person finding himself playing alone with a bunch of bots once every 15 minutes as they sit in an empty lobby would conclude the game's dead and uninstall.

[VoiD]

Even now I am relying on pure guesswork to figure out when I can quit.


Such as:

If the entire team dies instantly and we quit a match that have just started, is there a penalty for being super bad?

If the entire team is downed and crawling, is it ok to quit?

If the last guy is downed and it's outside of the safe zone, can we quit now?


If your team is alive and fighting but you died far away from the safe zone, and nobody can get your card, can you quit?

If the third guy quits on your team, and you're still in the lobby, can you quit and look for another full team?

If your entire team crashes, as it usually happens, the instant you find a lobby, do you get penalized?

No idea, the game won't tell me anything, so I have to sit and wait if I want to be safe, and if I ♥♥♥♥ up, I won't know either, is the game dead? Is everyone asleep? Or am I shadow banned again? No idea. When is the punishment over? Again, no idea.

[Ellen]

Originally posted by Xion:

We will also start seeing threads of "Why was I banned , I was doing nothing wrong" shortly

there are already plenty of those for shadowbans

[Nero]

its not shadowban its just puts you in low priority que meaning bots and if you keep quitting then game will just not allow to to que only vs bots....from my personal experience i had it for 3 days cause i was leaving left and right since i had no idea there is some sorta punishment ever since then i just wait for full team wipe then quit sometimes i just quit without waiting just dont do it alot :/ alltho not sure if it applies for ranked only or both

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Nero Claudius:

its not shadowban its just puts you in low priority que meaning bots and if you keep quitting then game will just not allow to to que only vs bots....from my personal experience i had it for 3 days cause i was leaving left and right since i had no idea there is some sorta punishment ever since then i just wait for full team wipe then quit sometimes i just quit without waiting just dont do it alot :/ alltho not sure if it applies for ranked only or both

Dunno about that, when I got it I'd even get a popup saying it couldn't find any players to even form a team to join a lobby to fight bots, if, by a miracle, I got into a lobby it would always be 1 or 2 teams against bots, and it would take a very long time for matches to even start.

I'd be surprised if anyone who doesn't know about the shadowban which the game doesn't tell you anything about didn't imediatelly quit the game, and I'd bet most players are going to face this situation almost imediatelly after starting this game. Yeah, I'd bet real money this is the main reason the game's dying.

[Kakashi]

Does the ban only apply to ranked?

[bluexrat]

The "Shadowban" is stupid. They should never add this system to the game or at least don't make it a "shadow"ban. The Shadowban is killing a already dying game.

[Onetel2]

Originally posted by bluexrat:

The Shadowban is killing a already dying game.

I agree. There are few people playing the game. There are (currently) two queues available. Now add the fact that shadowbanned people go into their own, separate queue. Now we have to wait longer because there are less people around. We have to wait to get:
• crashing teammates (thx Aizawa :D)
• dc'ing teammates
• clueless teammates

and what about the shadowbanned people? They have to wait. Even longer than we do. So what stops them from just changing game altogether?

This system killed the playerbase. I cannot wait 8 minutes to get in a match

[bluexrat]

Originally posted by Ontel2:

and what about the shadowbanned people? They have to wait. Even longer than we do. So what stops them from just changing game altogether?

I'm shadowbanned right now and I don't even quit until ALL of my teammates are dead. I don't even know what is going with all of this. I just want to play the game. but it seems like I can't even play the game unless I go into a bot match.

[Onetel2]

Originally posted by bluexrat:

Originally posted by Ontel2:

and what about the shadowbanned people? They have to wait. Even longer than we do. So what stops them from just changing game altogether?

I'm shadowbanned right now and I don't even quit until ALL of my teammates are dead. I don't even know what is going with all of this. I just want to play the game. but it seems like I can't even play the game unless I go into a bot match.

For me the game just "stops" at 7/8 teams in the prelobby. After that, i need to wait AGES to find the last team.

Perhaps it's a bug? i don't understand.

[Aidhune]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Even now I am relying on pure guesswork to figure out when I can quit.

Such as:

If the entire team dies instantly and we quit a match that have just started, is there a penalty for being super bad?

If the entire team is downed and crawling, is it ok to quit?

If the last guy is downed and it's outside of the safe zone, can we quit now?

If your team is alive and fighting but you died far away from the safe zone, and nobody can get your card, can you quit?

If the third guy quits on your team, and you're still in the lobby, can you quit and look for another full team?

If your entire team crashes, as it usually happens, the instant you find a lobby, do you get penalized?

No idea, the game won't tell me anything, so I have to sit and wait if I want to be safe, and if I ♥♥♥♥ up, I won't know either, is the game dead? Is everyone asleep? Or am I shadow banned again? No idea. When is the punishment over? Again, no idea.

1. there shouldn't be as long as you quit when your team is dead.
2. that person downed and still out of the safe zone is still considered alive so no, don't leave just yet.
3. no, you shouldn't quit. because your team is still alive.
4. if still in the lobby, this hasn't been tested around yet but there shouldn't be any penalties on that part yet as the match hasn't started yet.
5. no, i dont think it should. as the match hasn't started yet.

more information i have regarding this matter that i just let people know is just here:

Originally posted by Aidhune:

When you start to notice finding fewer players, you should really consider stopping in leaving your matches as long as your team is still alive, whether or not you deem it unrealistic that they will not be able to do a comeback.
Here is the image where they remind you of this during the first time you launch the game. The issue is that not enough people read this nor does the game remind you of this. But, leaving as long as your team is alive should mean that you are still considered as being a part of the match and will be considered as "intentionally disconnecting"
https://imgur.com/a/G4RIDrx

[Ellen]

you should be allowed to leave if your token is over 100m away from your teammates or it's in the poison.