CoE Research

[Battlebeard]

Has anyone had their unit swallowed, say, by a gigantic fish, feared said leviathan, and checked to see if the unit survived at the end of the battle?

[tvance52]

units take damage per turn from being swallowed, it will usually be the last (or one of the last?) actions listed in the turn. Should read "(unit) takes (x) damage from digestion". It will also include battle log when it dies from digestion, "(unit) takes 3 damage and dies from digestion".

So even if a unit flees from battle, they would likely be dead before the swallowing unit even makes it off the map.

So I don't know the answer to your question, but I doubt many units small enough to get swallowed would even survive the large amount of damage they'd receive before the battle ends.

[Profile Name]

I have some on going research myself. It involves the 'Necromancer' Class, and the 'Minor Summoning' ritual.

performing the rite in 'Old abandoned castles' has yielded more humanoid types, whereas 'Ancient Forests' yield more animals.
Tiles that have a 'Temple' Yield a lot of crow familiars.

This started because I was A Witch, and I summoned a black cat.
Okay.
I used minor summon again, and the cat turned into a magic black cat. It can cast magic now. It used to be a familiar, said it was, "...almost useless," in it's text box.
And it says similar for the Crow.

So I went around doing minor summons across different tiles to try to get a magical crow.
Instead, I found that the tile you summon on, matters.

[Draken]

It depends on the class, but yes, the outcome of some summoning rituals are terrain dependend.

Though I think the Witch and the Necromancers aren't among those.

Also not all familiars are upgradable.

[Profile Name]

Originally posted by Draken:

Also not all familiars are upgradable.

Wouldn't it be mind blowing if they all were, we just never found out how?
If we say something can't ever be done, that it's impossible, it puts the word of doubt into the mind, and people don't bother.
But...
But what if we aren't told that? And we keep pushing for new discoveries?
I mean, unless the dev themselves said so, then yeah, I'll go and take my foot into my mouth and have a good day

[Draken]

Originally posted by Profile Name:

Originally posted by Draken:

Also not all familiars are upgradable.

Wouldn't it be mind blowing if they all were, we just never found out how?
If we say something can't ever be done, that it's impossible, it puts the word of doubt into the mind, and people don't bother.
But...
But what if we aren't told that? And we keep pushing for new discoveries?
I mean, unless the dev themselves said so, then yeah, I'll go and take my foot into my mouth and have a good day :wftogrin:

That is a very good theory.
Sadly I got the extracted data files of CoE 5 for modding purposes, so I can see that there is no Raven Familiar with magic.

[Profile Name]

Originally posted by Draken:

Originally posted by Profile Name:

Wouldn't it be mind blowing if they all were, we just never found out how?
If we say something can't ever be done, that it's impossible, it puts the word of doubt into the mind, and people don't bother.
But...
But what if we aren't told that? And we keep pushing for new discoveries?
I mean, unless the dev themselves said so, then yeah, I'll go and take my foot into my mouth and have a good day

That is a very good theory.
Sadly I got the extracted data files of CoE 5 for modding purposes, so I can see that there is no Raven Familiar with magic.

Yaaaaaay. (Monotone)
Don't you love it when irrefutable proof says "Nope."
I don't have to search anymore.

[tvance52]

If you really want to know details, the extracted files linked in the pinned comments in the modding sub-forum have most of the game details. You can just download the related file, like the one for rituals, and then "Ctrl+F" to find what you're looking for. You can check against the modding guide or the other extracted files for most of what may be confusing.

If you don't want to know and want to discover it yourself, that's fine as well.

[Profile Name]

We all have been little. Stupid. Young. perhaps even dumb. But, we were always mesmerized by the exploration of the unknown. Discovery is just human nature, by and far. We want to know everything about what we want to know. Any kind of information, documents, by mouth, are all welcome.

This is how I'm certain Minor Summons matter as far as tiles go for the Necromancer class. I busted out cheated hands, and took every chance I got to perform that rite.
Certain tiles make more often, different results.
These are simply results I have come across.

[Underscorecow]

Originally posted by Draken:

It depends on the class, but yes, the outcome of some summoning rituals are terrain dependend.

Though I think the Witch and the Necromancers aren't among those.

Also not all familiars are upgradable.

Necro does for battlefield revivals, if tile has desert youll likely get dust kings, if in snow tile youll get unfrozen legions, normal elysium terrain/hades you get an army of longdead precept or whatever they are called (big purple shield, armor, javelin) or a group of banes and a bane lord, or a dusk army of shades and dusk elder i think.

[Draken]

Originally posted by Profile Name:

We all have been little. Stupid. Young. perhaps even dumb. But, we were always mesmerized by the exploration of the unknown. Discovery is just human nature, by and far. We want to know everything about what we want to know. Any kind of information, documents, by mouth, are all welcome.

This is how I'm certain Minor Summons matter as far as tiles go for the Necromancer class. I busted out cheated hands, and took every chance I got to perform that rite.
Certain tiles make more often, different results.
These are simply results I have come across.

What kind of tiles produced different results? Can you give some examples?
Because I just did a test and summone for one year on different tiles, and the result were all kind of the same:

Atavi Tribal Village:
Raven Familar 2
Mount King 4
Whight 6
Bane 1
Ghost Warrior 11
Spectral Archer 4
Spectral Horseman 4
Shade Beast 7
Dire Wolf 3
Shade 13
Dispossessed Spirit 37

Desert:
Raven Familar 5
Mount King 3
Whight 4
Bane 2
Ghost Warrior 8
Spectral Archer 6
Spectral Horseman 6
Shade Beast 13
Dire Wolf 0
Shade 16
Dispossessed Spirit 8

Dark Citadel:
Raven Familar 2
Mount King 3
Whight 2
Bane 6
Ghost Warrior 16
Spectral Archer 11
Spectral Horseman 3
Shade Beast 11
Dire Wolf 3
Shade 11
Dispossessed Spirit 18

Gallow:
Raven Familar 1
Mount King 2
Whight 2
Bane 4
Ghost Warrior 12
Spectral Archer 4
Spectral Horseman 7
Shade Beast 15
Dire Wolf 5
Shade 7
Dispossessed Spirit 9

Farm:
Raven Familar 5
Mount King 3
Whight 4
Bane 3
Ghost Warrior 6
Spectral Archer 5
Spectral Horseman 7
Shade Beast 4
Dire Wolf 2
Shade 6
Dispossessed Spirit 23

Forest:
Raven Familar 4
Mount King 2
Whight 5
Bane 2
Ghost Warrior 10
Spectral Archer 4
Spectral Horseman 4
Shade Beast 4
Dire Wolf 6
Shade 15
Dispossessed Spirit 18

Swamp:
Raven Familar 3
Mount King 2
Whight 2
Bane 3
Ghost Warrior 7
Spectral Archer 17
Spectral Horseman 7
Shade Beast 14
Dire Wolf 0
Shade 5
Dispossessed Spirit 19

Plain:
Raven Familar 2
Mount King 4
Whight 2
Bane 4
Ghost Warrior 5
Spectral Archer 18
Spectral Horseman 4
Shade Beast 11
Dire Wolf 3
Shade 6
Dispossessed Spirit 34

Village:
Raven Familar 4
Mount King 5
Whight 5
Bane 2
Ghost Warrior 7
Spectral Archer 13
Spectral Horseman 3
Shade Beast 17
Dire Wolf 1
Shade 6
Dispossessed Spirit 11

Trading Post:
Raven Familar 3
Mount King 5
Whight 6
Bane 5
Ghost Warrior 8
Spectral Archer 7
Spectral Horseman 0
Shade Beast 0
Dire Wolf 6
Shade 3
Dispossessed Spirit 25

Some numbers are a bit different, but nothing you can't explain with RNG.

[Draken]

Originally posted by Underscorecow:

Originally posted by Draken:

It depends on the class, but yes, the outcome of some summoning rituals are terrain dependend.

Though I think the Witch and the Necromancers aren't among those.

Also not all familiars are upgradable.

Necro does for battlefield revivals, if tile has desert youll likely get dust kings, if in snow tile youll get unfrozen legions, normal elysium terrain/hades you get an army of longdead precept or whatever they are called (big purple shield, armor, javelin) or a group of banes and a bane lord, or a dusk army of shades and dusk elder i think.

Yep.
Though it's not actually dependend on the tile, but where the tile is.
The undead Senator army and the undead Ghost army you can get everywhere.
The Dust army is rised in the south, the unfrozen one in the north.
In the middle you can get a Shade or a Bane army