Have they ever played Dune II?

[groeneg]

I don't understand that they choose to not please the fans of old.

[Katitoff]

Origineel geplaatst door Dzaka:

Origineel geplaatst door Katitoff:

How to spot fake dune fan:

-Praises Dune 2000 or Dune 2
-Does not know about Barkhan

i know about it.. it's not out yet. sooo yeah.. when it's out i'll keep an eye on it hopefully it'll have what i want though it won't be dune so that's already one strike

dune isn't just "desert"

But Dune never was what Westwood did either.

Hopefully, Barkhan and OpenRA will show people that nostalgia is a powerful and deceptive drug.

[Vertemouse]

This game is not Dune 2 AND THAT'S OKAY

[jcmeerman]

Origineel geplaatst door tempest.of.emptiness:

Dune II was made by a different studio than Dune was, and while it named itself as if it were a sequel to draw on those who had played Dune, it was a very different game. They dropped the adventure stuff, and focused on tactical combat scenarios (which they called strategic in the marketing materials).

Actually, the real story is even stranger. Virgin Games gave Cryo Interactive the contract to make a game called Dune based on the movies. But Virgin Games did not like the progress, so they ordered Westwood to make the Dune game. This was released as Dune (without the II). But Virgin had never told Cryo to cancel the project and that is why the Cryo game is called Dune and the Westwood game Dune 2.

[Wolfschadow]

If you look at the previous releases of the studio, you can see the parallels this game has to the game "Northgard". They pretty obviously got their inspiration from their previous game experience. This game is it's own and that is good, because dune 2 even as a remake with updated graphics and everything would likely not sell very well. With this, the devs made something unique that stands out and carves out its own nieche than just another basebuilding troop micro game akin to old dune, CnC or Starcraft.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Origineel geplaatst door jcmeerman:

Actually, the real story is even stranger. Virgin Games gave Cryo Interactive the contract to make a game called Dune based on the movies. But Virgin Games did not like the progress, so they ordered Westwood to make the Dune game. This was released as Dune (without the II). But Virgin had never told Cryo to cancel the project and that is why the Cryo game is called Dune and the Westwood game Dune 2.

Very interesting. I was not aware of that.

[hannibal_pjv]

Well Dune 2 did start the modern RST genre... but it is not and it was not a food game. And in Dune2, there were allmost none elements form the Dune books. This is closer to books, but still original Dune by Cryo is closer to books than this... But even that was not a great game, but more faitfull than anything I have seen so far.

[tkonicz]

Go play Dune II, nobody is hindering you. I liked that game back in the day too. But this game is also awsome.

[Zaxx]

Origineel geplaatst door IonizedMercury:

Origineel geplaatst door Elhazzared:

One mistake that many developers do in strategy game, be they turn based or real time is that they overly focus on non combat ways of winning and completly ignore that the main mechanism to win of any strategy game should be domination. Everything else comes as an after thought to that.

I recommend actually reading the books because then you figure out that combat is actually heavily deemphasized to the point that we barely ever see any fight scenes up close. Just by what the book supplies I'd still not know how major setpiece battles actually work in the Duneiverse and that's why every adaption so far has portrayed it differently.

So no, domination should be A way to win but definitely not the MAIN way.

See, that is what makes DSW actually move closer to the lore. But nooo, keep whining about Kynes with boobies or House Ordos.

Oh yeah, the universe where multiple jihads / extermination campaigns have happened and where every house has nuclear weapons and the only reason they can't use them is the Great Convention surely doesn't support a proper RTS take on the franchise.

What is the punishment for breaking the Great Convention by the use of atomics? Complete planetary annihilation, lot of room for diplomacy there too. Yeah, let's pretend that Spice Wars has a pulse and that it's more exciting than even a mediocre attempt at adapting the Butlerian Jihad into an RTS would be.

But hey, I'm happy for the few hundred people playing this.

[Dustwake]

Origineel geplaatst door Zaxx:

Origineel geplaatst door IonizedMercury:

I recommend actually reading the books because then you figure out that combat is actually heavily deemphasized to the point that we barely ever see any fight scenes up close. Just by what the book supplies I'd still not know how major setpiece battles actually work in the Duneiverse and that's why every adaption so far has portrayed it differently.

So no, domination should be A way to win but definitely not the MAIN way.

See, that is what makes DSW actually move closer to the lore. But nooo, keep whining about Kynes with boobies or House Ordos.

Oh yeah, the universe where multiple jihads / extermination campaigns have happened and where every house has nuclear weapons and the only reason they can't use them is the Great Convention surely doesn't support a proper RTS take on the franchise.

What is the punishment for breaking the Great Convention by the use of atomics? Complete planetary annihilation, lot of room for diplomacy there too. Yeah, let's pretend that Spice Wars has a pulse and that it's more exciting than even a mediocre attempt at adapting the Butlerian Jihad into an RTS would be.

But hey, I'm happy for the few hundred people playing this.

Spice Wars understands that warfare while possible does NOT make Dune what it is, Consider all the stuff you mentioned part of the world building and history but not at all the core of what Dune is

It would be in your best interest to leave this alone. Shiro and the remaining playerbase are dug in and still believe the game will bounce back up. There is no magic spell to be found here that will make this game enjoyable to you

[Attackmack]

Origineel geplaatst door Zaxx:

Origineel geplaatst door IonizedMercury:

I recommend actually reading the books because then you figure out that combat is actually heavily deemphasized to the point that we barely ever see any fight scenes up close. Just by what the book supplies I'd still not know how major setpiece battles actually work in the Duneiverse and that's why every adaption so far has portrayed it differently.

So no, domination should be A way to win but definitely not the MAIN way.

See, that is what makes DSW actually move closer to the lore. But nooo, keep whining about Kynes with boobies or House Ordos.

Oh yeah, the universe where multiple jihads / extermination campaigns have happened and where every house has nuclear weapons and the only reason they can't use them is the Great Convention surely doesn't support a proper RTS take on the franchise.

What is the punishment for breaking the Great Convention by the use of atomics? Complete planetary annihilation, lot of room for diplomacy there too. Yeah, let's pretend that Spice Wars has a pulse and that it's more exciting than even a mediocre attempt at adapting the Butlerian Jihad into an RTS would be.

But hey, I'm happy for the few hundred people playing this.

Typical teenage entitlement right here, if your mother had taught you any sense of respect you would realise the world doesnt revolve around you.

[IonizedMercury]

Origineel geplaatst door Zaxx:

Origineel geplaatst door IonizedMercury:

I recommend actually reading the books because then you figure out that combat is actually heavily deemphasized to the point that we barely ever see any fight scenes up close. Just by what the book supplies I'd still not know how major setpiece battles actually work in the Duneiverse and that's why every adaption so far has portrayed it differently.

So no, domination should be A way to win but definitely not the MAIN way.

See, that is what makes DSW actually move closer to the lore. But nooo, keep whining about Kynes with boobies or House Ordos.

Oh yeah, the universe where multiple jihads / extermination campaigns have happened and where every house has nuclear weapons and the only reason they can't use them is the Great Convention surely doesn't support a proper RTS take on the franchise.

What is the punishment for breaking the Great Convention by the use of atomics? Complete planetary annihilation, lot of room for diplomacy there too. Yeah, let's pretend that Spice Wars has a pulse and that it's more exciting than even a mediocre attempt at adapting the Butlerian Jihad into an RTS would be.

But hey, I'm happy for the few hundred people playing this.

None of that is relevant to the point I made, buddy. Fact is Herbert never describes any major setpiece battle in the Dune universe in sufficient detail as to the force dispositions and tactics used.

If you think otherwise, cite book, chapter and page where Herbert does so.

[Dzaka]

people who say dune wasn't about war. didn't read the books.. they just watched the movies/mini series'

[Kōizumi Seishiro]

False

[IonizedMercury]

Origineel geplaatst door Dzaka:

people who say dune wasn't about war. didn't read the books.. they just watched the movies/mini series'

The movies/mini series showed more of the warmaking than the books ever did.

Why do you have to make it so painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about?

[Ronnie]

Origineel geplaatst door IonizedMercury:

Origineel geplaatst door Elhazzared:

I haven't played the game at all! I don't own the game and with how bad the game is, I wouldn't buy it even with a 90% discount.

But you see, in 2023 there are these small platforms, maybe you haven't heard of them, they are called youtube and twitch. People play games there and you can easily learn how they work and even see what strong points and flaws they have. The internet is amazing right?

So no, you have actually no idea what the game is like then.

See, I hate Cod, but for whatever reason I don't feel compelled to head over to those forums to throw my sour grapes at its playerbase. So why do you?

My guy, he literally stated that he watched gameplay on youtube and twitch. That is hands down the best way to experience the full display without having to pay for it. Not even a demo or trial shows as much.

What part of that don't you understand?