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That's a good selection. I don't think we will get Ginaz though, as in the game lore itself it takes place after the destruction of Ginaz. But who knows?
I doubt we will get House Fenring, as much as I love the man. He's too closely tied to Shaddam for this game's purposes.
Also glad to see someone else thinks Moritani would be a good add, especially since they did Ecaz already with so many shoutouts to the Expanded Dune books.
I would only mention House Thorvald is feasible as well- as they were formerly married to House Corrino with Shaddam's 2nd wife being Memnon Thorvald's sister; and Thorvald himself led a confederacy of houses against Paul (that failed absolutely and resulted in his homeworld being sterilized.)
They had a throwaway page in the 'encyclopedia' back when, Which Herbert, if I recall correctly, had nothing to do with, other then a forward for it.
Basically, they needed stuff to fill pages.
And, to make the cries for Westwoods fanfic Ordos even more hilarious, Westwoods version of the House Ordos has almost nothing to do with the Ordos from the encyclopedia.
House Thorvald would be awesome... you could really go with a Viking theme for the Units! Thorvald is a bitter man who resents Imperial Power at the time of this game. He represents an interesting foil to Atreides who also threatens Imperial Power but does so unknowingly and while utterly loyal. There is an anger is Thorvald that is utterly different from the Blood-fueled Vendetta the Harkonnen family bear against Atreides. It's not Generational, but it's absolutely born out of the struggles of that point in time and many Houses of the Lansraad FEEL that growing bitterness at the ruthless Power of the Emperor.
I know exactly what you mean about Fenring, but remember in the books, Emperor Corrino commands Count Fenring to kill Paul Atreides when the final confrontation between them occurs. Count Fenring, a failed Kwizat Haderach, sees a younger version of himself in Paul Atreides and refuses. This means that while Count Fenring is loyal, he isn't mindlessly so. Of course, he is one of the Count's important units right now, so that would have to be replaced... but Count Fenring is someone who knows more dirt on the Emperor than anyone. I also think that the movies showing a Fenring Family Bene Gesserit securing the bloodline of Feyd Rautha really places this House outside of being treated just like a Minor House.
As far as Ginaz: I've just made this point about Jongleur... but considering how much of House Ecaz is alive for this game, the timeline has changed. Perhaps Hundro Moritani hasn't waged his War of Assassins on House Ginaz OR House Ecaz. Or it didn't go down the same way leaving Hundro Moritani childless. Although... realistically, the Flexibility has to end at some point. After all, Whitmore Bludd wouldn't be with Ecaz and Duncan Idaho wouldn't be with Atreides if Ginaz wasn't disgraced... right? Maybe there was a path where they joined those factions out of Honor rather than Disgrace. Wolfram Moritani could still be alive and well.... since the daughters of Ecaz all are alive.
While I do think the Expanded Dune books are sorely lacking, it is nice to see someone else who has read them and understands what it seems Shiro is doing hand in hand with the Herbert Estate.
I personally am hoping for Moritani a lot. I liked Hundro the mad dog, and the Cossack/Mongol aesthetic that was described would be great for the game. He's got more than enough named characters to merit inclusion; and I love his secret backstory of being House Tantor.
I understand what you mean about Fenring, but even then, the game predominantly takes place firmly in the Faufreleuches era. There are probably other ways to pull it off, but we will see. I think there are more established and easier to adapt houses they can pull from first. I'm very eager for Thorvald, especially if Shiro takes it as an opportunity to slip in Northgard references :D
Nowhere, because that's where Shiro thinks the fun should be. And they have decided to die on that hill.
But hey, you can now buy a paid DLC to play as the Ixians which also have almost no representation in the canon because Shiro is so consistent.
And in their own gaffe, they decided to make the leader a cyborg, pissing all over the canon themselfs.
Beautiful.
Also:
"Ix, along with Richese, escaped the more severe effects of the Butlerian Jihad, leading to it being classed as supreme in machine culture.[2]
The planet formed an Ixian Confederacy when Paul Atreides took the Golden Lion Throne and became Emperor of the Known Universe in 10196 AG. Ix offered submission to House Atreides in 10208 AG in exchange for a legal limit to Paul's Imperial tax, claiming that they wanted a constitution, with the Landsraad or CHOAM governing Paul. Paul forbade a constitution, claiming it would be detrimental to his people. This became an Order in Council and Paul decreed that the Guild, if they wanted his signature for the Tupile Treaty, was to stop all trade from Ix until the Confederacy agreed to the tax. Without the Guild's transport, the Ixians eventually submitted. "
Thinking Machines are Prohibited. This means that Sentient A.I. is banned. This also means that Human brains in Robot bodies are banned too. In the Dune Universe there were two different versions of this: The Cymeks, who were the traitors to Humanity that created the Omnius A.I. in the first place. The Cymeks had massive machine bodies and were practically immortal unless brutally cracked open and blasted with Cell Disruptors. The other "brains" in robot bodies were the Cogitors, although they had no combat form. The Cymeks wiped them out because of their neutrality, but even if they hadn't been wiped out, a Human Brain in a mechanical system is considered to be a Thinking Machine. The Cult of Serena would have attacked the Cogitors at some point. Cyborgs, as it where, are not prohibited, but are CERTAINLY frowned upon. However, this is where things get tricky. Keep in mind the Spacing Guild uses Spice until it warps their bodies into grotesque forms that make them nearly indistinguishable from Cogitors. And the Swordmasters of Ginaz use Combat Drones to practice fighting: These machines skirt the edge of sentience with self learning abilities and lethal capability. There are many Hunter Seeker Drones that are used for Assassination... and the main thing that sets Drones apart from Thinking Machines is that Drones can only do what they are told. They cannot adapt or give themselves directives. Humans in the Dune Universe do get Cybernetic Limbs, but it's far more popular to get cloned replacements from the Bene Tlielaxu. House Vernius of Ix and Bene Tlielaxu don't get along well, since the Bene Tlielaxu did atrocious experiments with Ajidamal while occupying Ix.
Basically, you have rules that were created, in part, to satisfy the cult-like superstition and bloody outrage of humanity... and the Noble Houses all play political games to twist in and around these rules because they seek to gain advantage by any means necessary. The Rules just force them to work harder and struggle harder. At least, until it's time to move beyond those rules. Someone always comes along to cut the Gordion Knot.
And ultimately, by the end of the Dune series, mankind is reunited with machines in preparation to face a greater threat from beyond anyway.
Perhaps Shiro Games should add House Wallach next, since most of the House Ordos people remember was actually Westwood kitbashing the Dune Encyclopedia's mentions of Ordos with Wallach and the idea of a Renegade House to create their own shortcut for mixing House Ix and Bene Tlielaxu.... who both hate each other, possibly as much (but not as long) as House Harkonnen hates House Atreides. Shiro Games has no reason to publish House Ordos in any manner similar to the way it was in the Westwood Games. It burns through way too much Dune Lore that way! House Ix, Bene Tlielaxu, House Wallach, Renegade Houses.... They were sacrificed to make Westwood's House Ordos.
I can't wait until they do add House Ordos... but all the people complaining about it not being in the game will invent reasons to be dissatisfied with it. House Ordos has a strange strangle hold on the minds of many. You'd be surprised how many people who have read the books actually think House Ordos was in them in some capacity. I did for a long time, but when you go back and read the books, I don't think they are ever mentioned. Westwood cleverly used House Ordos as a way to represent a HUGE amount of the Dune Universe that they couldn't possibly have fit into their games back then. It worked very well back then.
I'll say it again, for the people in the back that have literally no clue what they are talking about.
Cause you are right.
They aren't mentioned. Anywhere. At all. Ever.
And what mention of them that does exist is in the 'encyclopedia'. Which was fluff to fill pages and sell something. And what fluff there was about Ordos isn't the Westwood Fanfic.
But, don't worry. Its a new month. We will see another 'WhErEs OrDoS' topic sometime this month too. Like every other month. And the obligatory 'they lied' about the campaign.
I know that in the Frank Herbert books House Ordos doesn't even get a name drop. I am wary to flat out deny that they don't get mentioned somewhere outside the Dune Encyclopedia because there are over 20 books... pushing up to 30...
But I wouldn't be shocked if they aren't mentioned specifically. There are myriad multitudes of Houses in Dune. I've only personally posted of a few that actually have some details to work off. Most of the Houses in Dune are never mentioned by name, some Great Houses even get skipped over! Minor Houses of course, are like the grains of Sand on Arrakis.
Some of the amusing Houses I saw on the lists include House Bourbon, House Steel, and House Nippon. The most amusing House might be House Pardee, except for their tragic story: They are one of the First Victims of the War of Assassins, subject to what was later called the Harkonnen Lasgun Massacre right in their own Ancestral Hunting Lodge. If, for whatever reason, the War of Assassin's hasn't gone down quite the same way as it did in the books.... I really hope House Pardee could make it in this game.... and that they have a member called Hardy. The puns would never end.
And when it comes down to it, it's moot. Completely and utterly a moot point. The thing that people are pitching a fit about doesn't even have anything to do with the actual House Ordos. Mentioned it in another post, but its like ordering a Burger King burger at McDonalds, then standing in the middle of the room shrieking how much Burger King sucks because McDonalds won't serve you something they don't have.
And the sheer irony of it all is, if the literal handful of people pitching such a fit actually got what they wanted, they would still be shrieking, due to, you know, fanfic Ordos vs actual Ordos.