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Where is House Ordos?
House Ordos has been a playable faction in all previous Dune RTS games. Whilst I understand why the movie avoided mentioning them (not sure why) theres no reason why we can't have Ordos in this game if theres going to be Ix? Whom themselves were just a side faction anyway.
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FDR'sThinkTank Mar 29, 2024 @ 9:33pm 
House Ordos didn't play a notable part in the books, but was mentioned in some source material books that Westwood then did their own interpetation of. If House Ordos appears in this game, be aware that the Game Designers will likely make sweeping changes to it, some of which will restore what Westwood changed from the Source Material, some of which will build the faction up in a new and unique way.

If you read the books, Earl Rhombus Vernius of Ix actually has a pretty major role in the story. He was childhood friends with a young Duke Leto as he and his sister lived in hiding on Caladan when their family was chased off Ix. Years later, Duke Leto invaded Ix, purged the Tlielaxu influence, and reinstated his friend as the Earl of Ix.

You can check out the Dune Wiki on House Ordos.... Outside of what Westwood did, Ordos is fairly undeveloped. While some people might say that means it won't show up, I actually think it means it WILL show up. It might not be what you expect though. I would sooner expect Cryo Weapons from them than the things you saw in the Westwood games. Their House Crest will most certainly be very different!

Artistic License is wild. I admit for years I thought House Ordos was more important in Dune than it actually is. Don't feel too bad, Brian Herbert is a good storyteller, but he is terrible at continuity and gets carried away with some of the things he writes, getting cornered by his own imagination as a result. Just remember this is NOT the same License as the old Dune RTS games, where were tied to the old Dune Movies and got to reuse many of the costume materials from it for their FMV cutscenes. There are no Weirding Modules in this Dune, only Bene Gesserit and their Weirding Way! It's Kung Fu in the Desert!

EDIT As a Side note: I don't know if the Executrix was invented by Westwood or from the Source Material, but it would be interesting if House Ordos doesn't have a leader like other Factions, but instead, depending on the combination of three councillors they choose, have their core and councillor abilities determined by that. After all, the Executrix was Three Speaking as One. I would also give them a really Indian/Hindu Vibe for their troops and style, since Shiro Games is trying to make the Noble Houses more distinct. That would be quite fun and fuse nicely with the Executrix concept.
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Rude$t Mar 29, 2024 @ 11:21pm 
There are plenty of reasons we probably won't see Ordos:

Ordos as you know it is basically a very creative interpretation of a few lines of text from Dune Encyclopedia, which many don't consider canon in the first place. I have no ideas if the devs do.

If I recall, their non-Westwood lore is very scarce and they are refereed to as yet another greedy mercantile faction.

If they came to the game they would be up for an entirely different creative interpretation. What you are envisioning more or less belongs to EA and EA doesn't share.

In your case I would hope more for the Tleilaxu, who are more lore rich and kind of hit the same vibes of unethical technology and inhumanity that the Ordos had going for them in the Westwood games. They have a much bigger chance of being included since they are such a big part of Dune Messiah.

And mechanically? They'd slot in very well. Some kind of focus on gholas and Assassins/Facedancers.
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Roadwraith Mar 30, 2024 @ 1:58am 
Should be an automatic thread lock at this stage for anyone mentioning 'Where's Ordos?'
Katitoff Mar 30, 2024 @ 2:49am 
Where it belongs - in westwood fanfic.
madpraxis Mar 30, 2024 @ 5:03am 
Originally posted by Katitoff:
Where it belongs - in westwood fanfic.

You know, this is probably the best damn answer to the weekly "WhErE iS OrDoS?" post.
DasaKamov Mar 30, 2024 @ 9:42am 
Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:
House Ordos has been a playable faction in all previous Dune RTS games.
Nope; Ordos was only playable in Dune 2 and Emperor: Battle for Dune.

Also, Ordos wasn't even a fully-fleshed out faction, with Westwood mashing in a fair amount of House Wallach in their video-game depictions as well.
Kōizumi Seishiro Mar 30, 2024 @ 10:18am 
"Whilst I understand why the movie avoided mentioning them (not sure why)"

Made my day.
EisenKreutzer Mar 30, 2024 @ 12:12pm 
Ordos was, apart from the name, a creation of Westwood studios and plays no part in the books. This isn't a Westwood game, and the devs don't have the license to use Westwood's version of House Ordos.
Dune, Dune 2000 and Emperor Battle for Dune are Westwood creations. Yes. Those creations used the 3 main houses in the Dune story. Harkonnen, Atriedes and Ordos. Ordos has been skipped and just thought I'd mention it here as movie fans seem to have massive issues with the cybernetic house.
Azrapse Mar 30, 2024 @ 2:02pm 
I don't think we'll ever see House Ordos in this game or in Dune: Awakening.
Apparently, (from mentions to this in an interview with the developers of Dune: Awakening) Funcon and Shiro share the rights to developing Dune videogames, acquired from the Frank Herbert Estate. But these rights seems to forbid use of the creations of the Westwood games and the David Lynch movie from the 1980s.
They can only use stuff from the books, and it seems they go with the looks from the new movies.

As they say above, the best you can hope is that they bring the Bene Tleilaxu as playable faction and have the "headcanon" of considering it the canon equivalent of the Ordos in the Westwood games.
Schmeeda Mar 30, 2024 @ 10:13pm 
It probably won't come to Dune Spice Wars because of it being pretty much non-canon. But hey, Northgard has like 12 factions, Dune Spice Wars has just begun so who really knows down the road what factions we'll see added.
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madpraxis Mar 31, 2024 @ 1:51am 
Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:
Dune, Dune 2000 and Emperor Battle for Dune are Westwood creations. Yes. Those creations used the 3 main houses in the Dune story. Harkonnen, Atriedes and Ordos. Ordos has been skipped and just thought I'd mention it here as movie fans seem to have massive issues with the cybernetic house.

Tell me you know nothing about the actual books without telling me you know nothing about the actual books.

Brah, Ordos doesn't exist in the OG books. At all. It's in a throwaway description in the 'encyclopedia' which Herbert had like nothing to do with. Ordos as 'we' know it is literally just a Westwood creation. It is, as someone else said, Westwood fanfic. Even the mention of it has literally no bearing on what was brought to the games featuring them, they aren't even the same *thing*, since, you know, Westwood fanfic.
Roadwraith Mar 31, 2024 @ 3:13am 
Originally posted by Lord_Dweedle:
Dune, Dune 2000 and Emperor Battle for Dune are Westwood creations. Yes. Those creations used the 3 main houses in the Dune story. Harkonnen, Atriedes and Ordos. Ordos has been skipped and just thought I'd mention it here as movie fans seem to have massive issues with the cybernetic house.

House Ix is canonical. It is in the game.

House Ordos is non-canonical. It shall ne're be in the game.

Here endeth the sermon.

Praise be to Shai-Halud.
Cao Cao Mengde Mar 31, 2024 @ 6:27am 
House Ordos is also owned by Westwood/EA. While it was mentioned in the non-Canon Dune Encyclopedia, Ordos as they were represented by Westwood is their property. Shiro has no rights to it, and the Herbert estate who is working with Shiro has no interest in using them.
FDR'sThinkTank Mar 31, 2024 @ 7:20am 
Westwood/EA has the rights to Ordos as they imagined it. They do NOT have the rights to House Ordos exclusively. Again, Ordos can appear, but it will be quite dissimilar from what Westwood did. This might be jarring for people who thought House Ordos was more important to the Dune story than it actually is.

That being said... there are lots of Houses we could likely see before House Ordos. Let's name a few along with some elements of their potential theme:

House Richese (Tech-Mercantile-Political) (Ix chief competitor, responsible for rallying suspicion of Ix Tech, Patriarch pampered his Children)

House Wallach (Mentat-Assassins) (During the time of the Golden Path tried to assassinate Duke Leto II and was home to a then-outlawed Secret Mentat School.)

House Fenring (Imperial-Assassins-Ajidamal) (Was the Imperial Spice Councillor of Project Amal, Wrote the Imperial Handbook for Assassins.)

House Moritani (Atomics-Assassins-Swordmasters) (Secretly decendants of House Tantor, which was wiped out for their use of Atomics on the Corrino Homeworld. Warred with House Ginaz in the War of Assassins. Additionally, Trin Kronos was a Swordmaster expelled from Ginaz schools because of his ties to Moritani)

House Ginaz (Swordmasters-Tech) (Swordmasters are largely the product of intense training against Combat Machines that have been modified for "Training" only... although this training can ultimately prove lethal.)

House Metulli (Merchantile-Mentat) (During Alia's Regency, was noted to have sold half their planet Novabruns to an unknown third party for 321 litres of Spice. This small amount was quite valuble at the time because of the dwindling spice production and hording of the resource. House Metulli is unlikely to have had ties to any other faction that would have needed spice beyond a Secret School of Mentats.)

House Nebiro (Merchantile-Anti-Machine) (During Alia's Regency this House was known as a trader of Holy Artifacts... they likely trace their origin back to followers of the Cult of Serena. They would be wary of technology.)

House Taligari (Luxury-Merchantile-Counterintelligence) (The Docents of Taligari have 7 homeworlds and were involved in a struggle with Corrino over a supposed Spice Hoard, illegal Sandworm, and "synthetic Spice". We know their worlds had Amusement Parks and Resorts.)
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