saw so many people saying Dune: Spice Wars is the best RTS games in recent years but the game cant even reached 2k daily players so what gives?

[mN]

i want to buy this game and give it a chance since i want to try a new RTS games to play but the low daily players kept me from buying this.

[Togo]

Publicado originalmente por Sorethroat14:

guys, I bought the game. im preparing my mind to be ready for the steep learning curve of the game. hopefully this game is a gem.

Have fun man!

[mN]

Publicado originalmente por Togo:

Publicado originalmente por Sorethroat14:

guys, I bought the game. im preparing my mind to be ready for the steep learning curve of the game. hopefully this game is a gem.

Have fun man!

thank you!

and big thanks to the comments on this thread for suggesting and such. its definitely a big help to make my decision.

[glythe]

Publicado originalmente por Sorethroat14:

i want to buy this game and give it a chance since i want to try a new RTS games to play but the low daily players kept me from buying this.

Dune isn't an RTS game. it's a political 4x game with some RTS elements.

It is certainly unique but if you come expecting an RTS - it's really not.

[TomOfFinland]

I guess not a lot of people like the fact that this game is designed for 4 players only.
Even in northgard it seemed that anything over 4 player matches seemed to be a lot more popular. Be it against other players or against the AI.

[Antpile]

Publicado originalmente por jtm_alaska:

Publicado originalmente por imSubtle:

LOL not even close, its not even a top 10 contender. There are many many better rts than spice wars. Starcraft 1/2, Warcraft 2/3, TotalAnhilation, SupemeCommander 1 and Forged Alliance (Supcom2 is trash), Beyond All Reason, C&C (almost all of them), Age of Empires 1-3, Empire Earth 1/2, Dune 2000, Metal Fatigue, Dawn of War 1 , Company of Heroes 1 & 2. Stellaris ( arguably an rts), Stormgate. LOTR Battle for Middle earth 1 / 2. Battle Realms. black and white, sacrifice, etc etc, i could keep going but i'll stop

Many of those are very outdated. Some of those don't even exist to buy anywhere. (LOTR 2). Also you left out AOE4 which is surprisingly good. I think Dune is one of the top 5 best RTS in recent 10 years with a fresh take. Plus it's unique in it's not simply just an RTS but an RTS/4x Hybrid.

Yeah, his leaving out of AoE 4 which is easily the best AoE tells a lot about his opinion. Also, he lists the C&C games as being good, which is also telling. I mean, the C&C games were fun to play through once or twice and maybe do a few multiplayer games after for the giggles, but they were all garbage tier compared to the Starcrafts and whatnot. The Homeworlds were FAR better RTS games than the C&C games, and they had abysmal competitive multiplayer.

More on topic, though, this game is fun; Especially with friends. It's pretty slow paced, though. The factions all feel pretty unique and play quite a bit differently, which is nice.

[Artuurs]

Its not the best RTS game, thats just normies who have never played a RTS game during the golden age saying that, they dont know what their talking about or have the memory of a goldfish. Now, the game isnt bad, but, hahahaha, the best one ever? Hilarious delusion. Now, if they finaly added Ordos, we would certainly take a little step closer to that being true, no doubt about it, but still very, very, very far away from that status.

[Corusame]

Publicado originalmente por Artuurs:

Its not the best RTS game, thats just normies who have never played a RTS game during the golden age saying that, they dont know what their talking about or have the memory of a goldfish. Now, the game isnt bad, but, hahahaha, the best one ever? Hilarious delusion. Now, if they finaly added Ordos, we would certainly take a little step closer to that being true, no doubt about it, but still very, very, very far away from that status.

Is there a better RTS out there currently which lets you do as much as Dune: Spice Wars does?

[Trithne]

Publicado originalmente por Artuurs:

Its not the best RTS game, thats just normies who have never played a RTS game during the golden age saying that, they dont know what their talking about or have the memory of a goldfish. Now, the game isnt bad, but, hahahaha, the best one ever? Hilarious delusion. Now, if they finaly added Ordos, we would certainly take a little step closer to that being true, no doubt about it, but still very, very, very far away from that status.

1) The golden age of RTS games was, in retrospect, largely devoid of good game design, tank spam basically being the order of the day every day, with a few exceptions. DSW isn't even trying to be one of those types of RTS, but RTS is a broader genre than "those games I remember from 30 years ago"
2) What would adding Ordos do? Since they don't fill any gameplay niche that isn't already filled, not that they had much of a niche beyond being the "hit-and-run faction".
3) There is no best RTS ever, this is a silly question, but DSW certainly offers a lot to people who want a complex game that is real-time and doesn't take 8+ hours to play to completion.

[Zakalwe]

Publicado originalmente por Trithne:

Publicado originalmente por Artuurs:

Its not the best RTS game, thats just normies who have never played a RTS game during the golden age saying that, they dont know what their talking about or have the memory of a goldfish. Now, the game isnt bad, but, hahahaha, the best one ever? Hilarious delusion. Now, if they finaly added Ordos, we would certainly take a little step closer to that being true, no doubt about it, but still very, very, very far away from that status.

1) The golden age of RTS games was, in retrospect, largely devoid of good game design, tank spam basically being the order of the day every day, with a few exceptions. DSW isn't even trying to be one of those types of RTS, but RTS is a broader genre than "those games I remember from 30 years ago"
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3) There is no best RTS ever, this is a silly question, but DSW certainly offers a lot to people who want a complex game that is real-time and doesn't take 8+ hours to play to completion.

Asolutely right

'Best ever' is highly subjective, but it can also be assessed objectively. Take into account the following, and see how you'd score your favourite RTS:

-Gameplay
-Balance
-App stability
-Content
- Strategic Depth
-Value for money
-Theme
-Adherence to source material
-Art design
-Production
-Innovation
-Sound and music design
-Presentation
-UI design
-Post-release developer support

The best will score VERY highly in several categories, but in my extensive experience, DSW might be the only RTS/Hybrid to accomplish everything at an extremely high level. It's not my absolute favourite title in the genre (yet!), but it is definitely THE benchmark for quality.

[FDR'sThinkTank]

I think this game has achieved something spiritually impressive compared to other Dune RTS games. It's more of a 4X game, since it includes investing, nuanced politics, a deep intelligence element, and much much more.

If you're hoping for a variety of absurdly colorful units with every faction having some unique doomsday weapon like the Westwood Dune games, you will be disappointed.... but if you always felt those games left out all the Political Intrigue that belongs to Dune... this game will be an eye opener. While both have their appeal, this game has done an excellent job of creating it's own space.

I think House Ordos is possible, but not as Westwood Imagined it. They would probably return to the source material and change a number of elements before bringing House Ordos back... but there is plenty of room for cunning factions in this game.

In a similar vein, there is also room for more tech based factions: Vernius of Ix isn't the end. House Richese is their chief competitor, but never quite matches up since they follow the letter of the law in regards to A.I. Technology. This makes room for a more Righteous Tech Faction that has it's own tricks... but may share some of Vernius of Ix unique mechanics, such as Patents. House Richese would probably have a much better relationship with Mentats, in particular, whose Origins and existence largely relies on keeping A.I. banned.

Of course, Bene Tleilaxu are also a "Technology" faction, although in a very different taboo manner. They are enemies of Ix, in particular, but as a secretive guild, it's very likely there would be a Great House they would work with by Proxy. House Ordos could represent them, but not fully if they are going to also work with House Ix.

House Ginaz is widely known for their Swordmasters. They train to a high level of Swordsmanship by using specially modified Combat Robots that only learn combat and are only allowed to be used in training (Although these units, if misused, can kill the trainee quite easily.) They have a feud with House Moritani, which is a House known for it's Assassins. House Atreides was aligned with House Ginaz. Obviously, you have a set up here with those who prefer direct combat against those who prefer infiltration and assassination.

House Fenring is another Assassin type house that actually had a Count in their lineage who wrote the Assassin's Handbook as an Imperial Representative. House Fenring was also the Siridar-Absentia of Caladan while the Duke Caladan was in charge of Arrakis and after his betrayal. Fenring is a House Loyal to Corrino, at least, obstensibly... they have never had an official Homeworld and were often kept close to the Emperor.

There could be other Houses that would be proxies for the Spacing Guild, for the Bene Gesserit, and so on! So many possibilities!

[IceManHG]

Who the hell cares about daily players? Is that really how you judge if a game is worth getting? If the game is a genre and setting you are interested in then try it out.

[TomOfFinland]

Publicado originalmente por IceManHG:

Who the hell cares about daily players? Is that really how you judge if a game is worth getting? If the game is a genre and setting you are interested in then try it out.

I do care because I solely play this game in multiplayer. If a player base is dwindling, then it means that the multiplayer will too.

[Zakalwe]

Publicado originalmente por IceManHG:

Who the hell cares about daily players? Is that really how you judge if a game is worth getting? If the game is a genre and setting you are interested in then try it out.

If you want it to keep growing and developing, then player numbers REALLY matter. Passionate creatives drive game creation, but hard-nosed businessmen make them a reality. Or not.

[Selminus]

Publicado originalmente por Sorethroat14:

i want to buy this game and give it a chance since i want to try a new RTS games to play but the low daily players kept me from buying this.

I haven't liked tabletop games in years but have been binge playing it. It's just tasteful. They need some combat flare and more skill/unit diversity to give it long term replayability. Def on the right track.

[Ursa_Luna]

Publicado originalmente por Sorethroat14:

i want to buy this game and give it a chance since i want to try a new RTS games to play but the low daily players kept me from buying this.

I know this is a bit of a delayed post, though to say that this was one of the best RTS games would be... not a great definition, here's why!

This game plays like a cross between a Sid Meier's Civilization game and a RTS game. It is not as much an RTS as something like dawn of war or Starcraft, for pure RTS those are probably better go-to's.

This game is definitely good fun though! It's worth a shot. I don't play online often, or if I do it's with friends, so I can't vouch to what the pvp scene is like, though I do like the conquest-style campaign map for going against the AI.