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In the book, after the fall of Leto Atreides and the beginning of the Fremen War led by Paul Atreides against Harkonnen and the Imperium, it was the Emperor who used all his forces, mainly Sardaukar, although they lost even to fremen women and children. The concept in the game should be such as to move from weaker soldiers as conscript troopers to Sardaukar, so that their strength is not limited by their number. Just, for example, leave their ability to execute at 30% health and add another effect by replacing the addition of 5% to the execution for each enemy they executed.
Just further proof that you are absolutely unable to argue any of the points, and resort to simply ignoring everything your opponent says.
Yeah, how about you actually PROVE literally anything that you've been claiming I'm wrong about?
How self-critical of you.
Explosive artillery.The guns nibbled at the caves where the Duke’s fighting men had retreated for a last-ditch stand. Slowly measured bites of orange glare,showers of rock and dust in the brief illumination—and the Duke’s men were being sealed off to die by starvation, caught like animals in their burrows. The Baron could feel the distant chomping—a drumbeat carried to him through the ship’s metal: broomp... broomp. Then: BROOMP-BROOMP! Who would think of reviving artillery in this day of shields? The thought was a chuckle in his mind.
“Tell me, Thufir Hawat, do you have knowledge of the big weapons the Harkonnens used?”The artillery, Hawat thought bitterly. Who could have guessed they’d use artillery in this day of shields?
- Frank Herbert, DUNE
It was THE SHIELDS that made artillery obsolete in the Dune Universe. Had there been no shields, artillery would rule the battlefield as it does now.
And guess what, there are no shields in this game.
The shields were widely used on Arrakis. The Sardaukar used personal shields in the desert when fighting. The Atreides used shields as well (Duncan Idaho in particular). The Sardaukar specifically did not use lasguns against the Atreides in fear of igniting the shields.
Wrong, the Baron used artillery to seal the caves where the Atreides and the Fremen were hiding.
If shields were impossible to use on Arrakis, as you claim, then artillery would have been widely used. But most importantly, LASGUNS would have been used, as they are even deadlier but are prohibited because of their interaction with SHIELDS.
But this game has neither shields, nor lasguns, nor artillery. It's as if the developers simply threw out everything that made Dune combat unique, and replaced it with generic "melee, ranged, flying" rock/paper/scissors units.
It doesn't matter, it is still proof that heavy mobile artillery a) existed in Dune Universe, b) was used in combat on Arrakis during the Atreides-Harkonnen war. Which is enough to make it legitimate to use in a Dune game.
However, there is also c) since both shields and lasguns are not present in the game, there is even less reason for artillery to be absent, as it would have reigned supreme in these conditions.
Also, both shields and lasguns play important roles in the Dune novels, serving as several plot points. Yet, again, both of them are not present in the game, for exactly zero reason.
WRONG AGAIN. It ONLY goes melee because of the shields, and there are no shields in this game. All the "uniqueness" of Dune combat is instantly killed if you remove the shields and their interaction with lasguns. Then there is simply no explanation for using melee over ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ firearms and artillery.
And they WOULD be in widespread use IF THERE WERE NO SHIELDS.
AND THERE ARE NO SHIELDS IN THIS GAME.
Zzzz, read the books.
So you could say they are in the game just not explicitly shown
The Dune universe is about space feudalism, this feels like a good way to model that. An emperor is powerful because he can call on lesser nobles to do his bidding, not because he has direct control of all the troops.
Have you actually read the books? If this game had shields, armies would draw worms like sharks to chum any time they stepped out on to the sands. It's very clearly stated multiple times that you don't use shields in the deserts of Arrakkis, that is a death sentence; and everyone knows it.
Melee units on Arrakkis make more sense than anywhere else in the empire, given the limitations presented by that planet's ecology. If you're going to see melee blobs running around anywhere, it's going to be here. And the idea that lasguns should be widely used, when one idiot deciding to risk signalling worms and getting hit can cause significant damage on both sides is also short-sighted.
Never mind that melee combat is already the primary method of fighting in this universe, and is the reason why Saurdakar and Fedaykin are held in such high esteem. If ranged combat was the norm, these units would not be nearly as deadly. So, seeing them fighting in an environment that requires adaptation due to a lack of viable shield technology makes perfect sense; ironically, anything else would be counter to the lore itself.
You're also wrong about artillery and the Harkonnen, it's stated that the Baron ONLY used them due to intel regarding the Atreides and their plan to fall back into the caves. There's even a line pointing out how they would normally be useless in the current military landscape, but were well-suited for this specific scenario.
He then sends the artillery back into storage to gather dust, along with the other outdated military technology.
Reading information in a wiki somewhere doesn't actually prove you know anything about the Lore. And it certainly doesn't give you enough of a foothold to make claims about game balance.
To add to this, the artillery is also only a viable option specifically because of Yueh (a trusted doctor for the Atreides coerced/forced into betraying them by the Baron) turning the shields off; it would not have worked otherwise for all the stated reasons above on how shields render artillery (and all other conventional firearms, as well as lasguns for the whole "makes shields go nuclear" thing) utterly moot.
Additionally, tanks and hovercraft are generally a no-no on Arrakis for the same reason you don't want to use shields: the Worms react... poorly, to put it mildly. You can get away with that stuff if you're using it on sturdy rock formations, but you really, really don't want to have those on the sand - and not just because maintenance would be a stone-cold mother. This is also why the artillery used by the Harkonnen probably wasn't Mobile Artillery; more likely it was set up on rocky outcroppings within range of the Atreides stronghold. I mean, think about it - if just using a small, man-portable thumper is enough to make Shai-Hulud come a-knockin', imagine what a bunch of booming artillery pieces would do.
Game balance has not and will not be important until the game release? Are you mad? One of the main points of early access is to sell copies of the game and raise interest in it in order to raise more funds for development, without game balance people will not enjoy the gameplay and leave a bad review and potentially refund the game having the opposite desired effect, Diablo 4's recent public beta's focused more on game balance than anything else.
This game is complete enough that game balance should be an important task, game balance and creating new content should be 2 separate dev teams anyway, game balance is just as important as story/graphics and gameplay.
I am the one literally quoting the books in this thread. Of course I have read them.
Have you actually played the game? Half of every army's roster in this game are FLYING UNITS which never land and are thus immune to sandworms, yet they are somehow shot down i.e. DON'T HAVE SHIELDS.
You have not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ read the books then. Because both Atreides and Sardaukar do use personal shields, in the deserts of Arrakis. And I literally quoted the passages in this very thread.
What limitations?! LOL! The ONLY reason melee is used so much in the Dune Universe is because of the Holzman Shield, since "the slow knife penetrates the shield" while the fast bullet cannot (and the lasgun ignites the shield and itself).
Lasguns WERE used on Arrakis, in the desert, by the Sardaukar, in the original Dune novel, which you very obviously did not read!
And lasguns do not attract sandworms, where did you even get that idea?
BECAUSE OF SHIELDS, WHICH THIS GAME DOES NOT HAVE.
Sardaukar are LITERALLY ARMED WITH LASGUNS IN THE DUNE NOVEL.
Oh my... oh my! You have not read anything at all, have you?
I have quoted all the relevant passages from the novel in this very thread. Artillery was generally obsolete because of SHIELDS, as stated by the Baron and by Thufir. But there are NO shields in this game. Hence NO reason not to use artillery.
Hilarious coming from you, who did not read the novels and did not even bother to read this thread.
So you're saying the shield stops one bullet but doesn't stop the next bullet for some reason? That's just silly, it would mean the shields are simply glorified flak jackets and do not offer full protection, which is very clearly not the case in the novels. Otherwise all soldiers would just use full-auto machine guns instead of knives, or simply focus-fire one target after another.