So.. they "Modernized" a character by making it female?

[Sebastiano]

Welp, one customer lost.
I don't need your virtue signaling.
Sick and tired of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ modern politics infecting our videogames.

[Axios]

引用自 Ylion：

i wouldn´t like it if frodo suddenly became an orc or if one of the ninja turtles were a duck.
changing the gender because "why not" doesn´t really change anything important.
it is absolutely silly, without any reason in an ip that already has a plethora of strong female characters, and i´m sure in the end it does more harm than good, but it is nothing to waste a second thought on.
companies will do whatever they think will rise their profits.
once they notice people are fed up with this everything will be back to business as usual

Literally just based on the movie last year....

People can't seem to grasp this very simple concept.

[[Dolt]TheWickedGerman]

I see the 300 EUR in cheese have been a whise decision. If you continue to whine that much, I will need much more tomorrow.

[DustyBlue]

引用自 Louis Wain's Cat：

And nobody ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cares about your books, that shіt is boring as ♥♥♥♥.

Speak for your illiterate self. The majority of the Dune IP and thus fanbase is book-based, so if you just wipe your ass with the books because you don't read, I don't know why you're even here. This is a Dune game. Imagine saying this about a Harry Potter game, or "screw the movies" when it came to a Star Wars game. Who cares about the central axis of the story's world? If you don't care about the most central basis of the thing, it's a mystery to me why you care enough to even pollute the forums of the thing. Definition of a toxic casual over here

引用自 Green spleen submarine：

引用自 DustyBlue：

What is your bar for deciding whether Kynes is iconic or not? He's a major character in the original book, and his defining features were set there. Anything not directly mentioned is up to anyone's interpretation and free game for embellishment, but something as basic as his sex is not open to interpretation. COULD he have been a woman? Sure. But he wasn't.

While Kynes was incredibly important to the story of Dune, their sex or gender had nothing to do with it.

If their sex or gender doesn't matter, then changing it doesn't matter either. And if changing it doesn't impact anything beyond aesthetics, why are you getting so hung up about a total non-issue?

Kynes is being portrayed as female instead of male, possibly to even out the sheer volume of men to women in the story. How privileged one must be for this to be a focal point of anger and disappointment in a property.

"I'm not sexist, but..."

A person's sex is not aesthetics, it defines their entire lived experience. It's not shallow tokenism just because you don't think any deeper than "well, women can be ecologists too". That's not the point, and no one is saying they can't. For Kynes to be a woman in this world would then also put upon him the expectations of women in that world. Why would female Kynes not occupy the role her fellow female Fremen occupy then? He relates to Chani as a mother now, he relates to the Bene Geserit as sort of peers now since they are the body of female leadership in this world, so how does female Kynes fit in with that? How does she feel about Bene Gesserit? She probably would have been raised to be one. There is that rogue reverend mother among the Fremen that passed the torch to Jessica, so why was the torch not passed to female Kynes then? When Kynes is taken by the Harkonnens, there is now a potential sexual dynamic there when before it was men handling fellow men. Would they still dump her in the desert, or would they do other things with her? Men are usually killed without a thought while women are used as ransom or sexual coercion. With this one fundamental alteration you now need to answer all sorts of questions that didn't need to be asked before because he was a man relating to his fellow men in the man's world. You didn't need to even consider how Kynes related to the Bene Gesserit culture or Fremens' culture pertaining to the roles of women because being a man he would be disqualified from any of those considerations.

Just like with time travel, going back and changing just one thing, does not just change one thing. It also changes everything around that thing.

[Stealthkibbler]

they should've made all the characters women, to appeal to the male fantasy.

[Joe]

So many fragile little boys in here

[Cenotaph]

引用自 Green spleen submarine：

引用自 Cenotaph：

If it can be fit within established lore, fine. But changing what's there for no good reason is not respecting the source material

It can fit within established lore that the imperial scientist on Dune is female. "Respect" the source material? It's a sci-fi setting multi-millennia into the future where people can turn themselves into precognitive flesh-beasts by snorting powdered worm ♥♥♥♥ - but that a scientist is a woman is disrespectful?

It's hard to read, and this is the internet

[Lafettie]

Imagine,not buying a game because one character is a woman.If you simply dislike the game,thats ok.

But being so fragile as a person,you need help from a psychologist.

[DustyBlue]

引用自 Axios：

Then go blame the movie series... stop whining here and go complain to the source.

Fair enough, but the game made the choice to continue from that source and so equally contributes in that artistic decision. I remember when PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale came out, DmC Dante was the most recent Devil May Cry game, and yet it still would have behooved them better to use the more famous and fan favorite version of the character instead of going with the controversial much-less-loved version just because it was the most recent. Doing it once was dumb enough, but doing it twice was even dumber, knowing how it ticks off a large part of the fanbase.

Same with this female Kynes here. They could just as easily implement the version of the character that DOESN'T spark all this argument and tick people off, and it's not like there's a bunch of diehards attached to the new version of the character, it's already a known dud. Just saves everyone a lot of tediousness and unpleasantness, just give the fans what they want without pitting different camps of fans against each other (the ones who care vs. the ones who don't care). They shouldn't even have to be having such a discussion, the game makers should just already have their finger on the pulse about what people want and don't want and where the sore spots are with the fan community.

[Green spleen submarine]

引用自 DustyBlue：

A person's sex is not aesthetics, it defines their entire lived experience. It's not shallow tokenism just because you don't think any deeper than "well, women can be ecologists too". That's not the point, and no one is saying they can't. For Kynes to be a woman in this world would then also put upon him the expectations of women in that world. Why would female Kynes not occupy the role her fellow female Fremen occupy then? He relates to Chani as a mother now, he relates to the Bene Geserit as sort of peers now since they are the body of female leadership in this world, so how does female Kynes fit in with that? How does she feel about Bene Gesserit? She probably would have been raised to be one. There is that rogue reverend mother among the Fremen that passed the torch to Jessica, so why was the torch not passed to female Kynes then? When Kynes is taken by the Harkonnens, there is now a potential sexual dynamic there when before it was men handling fellow men. Would they still dump her in the desert, or would they do other things with her? Men are usually killed without a thought while women are used as ransom or sexual coercion. With this one fundamental alteration you now need to answer all sorts of questions that didn't need to be asked before because he was a man relating to his fellow men in the man's world. You didn't need to even consider how Kynes related to the Bene Gesserit culture or Fremens' culture pertaining to the roles of women because being a man he would be disqualified from any of those considerations.

Just like with time travel, going back and changing just one thing, does not just change one thing. It also changes everything around that thing.

Kynes was an Imperial observer that was accepted by the Fremen. They had no interactions with the Bene Gesserit before Jessica arrived, and not every female is a member of the Bene Gesserit. How they die has no impact on the plot, unless you really want to... write a r@pe scene? That would have more to do with how the Harkonnen behave than Kynes' character.

Kynes' sex has nothing to do with the plot or their character.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

引用自 Sebastiano：

Welp, one customer lost.
I don't need your virtue signaling.
Sick and tired of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ modern politics infecting our videogames.

Same. Get woke go broke. Gonna play the game at a friend's, maybe. Though tbh I don't even want it for free now. SJW politics are like roaches - if there is one, there is a lot more somewhere you can't see.

I remember loving quirky, unique characters but by now I'm just annoyed at these cookie-cutter perfect women and useless, evil, cowardly men. No need for another BATTLETECH diversity bonanza with literally not a single person who wasn't either evil or a minority.

[FacePoppies]

look at all these incels lol

[JerBeware]

Gonna take a pass on this one. Wish all of you the best of luck on both sides of the issue.

Sadly this was the first thread I opened when deciding if I wanted to hop in on early access. I'd rather not have to deal with what I'm seeing of the community on this one.

[Sledgehammer]

House Ordos was first mentioned in the Dune Encyclopedia and then in the video game Dune 2, but never in Frank Herbert’s works.

Quite hilarious to read this part now.

[L-laine]

Meh don't care as much I'm just here for the actual gameplay not the thinly veiled right wing agitators. Honestly tired of hearing about the gender bender outrage crap it's been going on for over a decade now give it a rest. If it sucks I dump if it's good I'll stay.

[OhCouto]

i wont buy this!