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Unfortunaly the Lynch Baron I could not take seriously at all as he was a laughing madman flying around yet. I keep wondering why hasn't one of his Harkonen commanders deposed and killed him yet in a military coup.
I enjoyed both movies, I just like the Villeneuve film for creating a decent villain plus I liked the new depiction of the Sadukaur who look quite fierce and badass.
Really nothing else has to be said about Lynch's version.
And anyone who doesn't grasp how fundamentally wrong this is are so hopelessly lost there's no point talking to them about it.
The movie was a mess most of it's time. Audiences were more annoyed than amused.
It needed all this mind dialogues to explain itself because the movie itself couldn't tell the viewer what's going on.
Some things looked more like a parody than a serious movie, also there was to much overacting. But so many things just couldn't be taken serious.
Than there was that whole sonic weapons thing.^^
Also so many people are talking about the effects of Dune and how they were good for that time and how they have "aged well".
No they don't. Just don't. The effects were pretty bad which maybe was one of the many reasons (but surely there're more important reasons) the movie failed.
In the end it got the status of being "a classic" across SciFi movies and it was ok to watch. It got some lift up due to later cuts and I'd say the Fan-Cut got the most out of that movie.
I totally get that the weirding modules in Dune 1984 contradict one of the chief themes of Dune, which is maximizing human self-reliance and evolution over tools and technology. As others point out, key parts of Imperial society are based on the Sisterhood and the Mentats and the Guild Navigators--all of whom stress innate human abilities pushed to their limits before resorting to tools. And yes, I do think it was cheap of Lynch and De Laurentis to go with guns rather than run with compelling knife fights.
The sonic weapons were a visual and focused way to demonstrate the power of the Atreides than more abstract ideas like "The Duke raised a fighting force to rival the Sardukar" which is never played out in the book apart from Feyd's duel with a prisoner of war. Sonics were probably also necessary to compress several ideas from the book into the film, such as the fact that Paul took advantage of the lack of shields in the desert to revive antitank missiles. So the sonic weapons combined the Sisterhood's martial arts, the Atreides martial arts, and Paul's retro insurrection into one hero prop on the screen. One thing I always appreciate about Lynch's Dune is how well he was able to combine ideas from the book and fit them into a theatrical length picture--he did write the screenplay himself and you can tell he made a heroic effort to get it all inside 135 minutes.
I personally like the idea that sonic weapons could be retconned into a Dune miniseries as a secret Ixian technology that both the Sardukar and the Atreides possess in small numbers to defeat shields. It's just a promising idea that is consistent with the setting and at the same time shakes up the story without changing the themes. Since I already believe that the Sardukar would be a stagnant force by this point in the Imperium, nearing the end of their usefulness and banking as much on their reputation as actual prowess, anything that makes the Atreides a concrete and visualized threat to their supremacy is welcome for visual storytelling. Indeed, it would be the Sardukar pressuring the Emperor to act in order to prop up their own authority, at least as much as Shaddam's own concerns about the Just Duke.
David Lynch has the worst ornithopters and carryalls of the adaptions. I also think his shield effect was too complicated for what they were going for; Dune 2021 uses a simpler but more compelling technique. Not really impressed with the blaster effects either, or the overuse of gasoline explosions and fireballs. The big fight scenes and the aircraft scenes are some of the weaker parts of that film.
However, I think it is the editing, choreography, cinematography, runtime, and the portrayal of the Harkonnens that hurt the film more at the time.
No--Lynch clipped out key themes from his version that DV retained. To be sure, Dune 2021 still doesn't give enough room to the ecological transformation dream of the Fremen--but it referenced it more often and accurately, and gave us a lot more Kynes. DV also understood that Paul is an antihero in disguise--he has all the heroic and sympathetic traits but will become history's second greatest mass murderer after his own son and successor, Leto II. Lynch made Paul into an actual Messiah who could shout his enemies to death and call rain from the blue. DV was also willing to explore the weaknesses and doubts of his characters more, and to stress the family dynamics more from the book, which Lynch did not do.
That all said, I have enjoyed Dune 1984 and some of its strongest moments actually come in the places where it deviates from the novel.
NuDune doesn't feel any more subtle and the supposed depth of it just feels like any other modern media crapped out to the public with the intent to make them feel smart while being as deep as a puddle.
That's my honest opinion of it. And once again: I am not saying that the Lynch adaptation was deep, I'm saying that you lot come off as hipsters for thinking that NuDune is any different. The Lynch adaptation was fun to experience, NuDune comes off as pretenteous.
+1 OP
You are aware that Denis so far has only made half of the book right? 😆
Closer to the book I dont believe... The imperial botanist was a white man... not a black woman because there is a quota of black woman to place in todays movie... And this is said without the slightest racist though just by observation that todays movies must have their quota of ethnics/genres/sexual way...
Got ya.
Just had to say it because some aroud will only see that as racist part while and spam the report button... There are very good actor and actress of all ethnics but it is just how you place them in the movies that is right or not... if you want to stick as close as possible to the book you just have to respect the major characters choice..
Is it a good idea to judge a movie/game merely by sales and paid ratings?
After all, Villeneuve merely fixes the things, that were complained by the original movie.
He got his 2 movies, hi did remove stuff people did not like, like sound weapons or this inner voice narration, and his film has access to newest CGI tech from 2020.
There is basic reasoning within the entertainment, some franchises, books and movies are hard to make as a good movie adaptation. Today you can in hours change entire background scenes that were filmed on green background, even characters that were filmed in green closes. Old movies kind of had to be good in one shot.
He could even fix the Super Mario Bros. Movie. Even by film first a complete mess. Within hours, just fix characters age, their speech and voice and film background from industrial to mediaeval, gothic or what ever, he has access to modern day computers lol.
I'm not saying DUNE 1984 is the best movie ever, but it conveys an atmosphere that really manages to pull you into the strange, mysterious and perplexing world that is Dune.
People started afterwards to appreciate Dune 1984. Especially after all the video games.
With a "successful" movie, perhaps the RTS genre would not exist at all today. Because successful franchises like 40K and Starwars didn't want to have an RTS adaptation. Dune was perfect, a franchise people did know and game developers could afford the IP.
Except that Kynes' race and gender weren't essential to their character in the book, nor does changing Kynes to a black woman distance them from the themes or plot of the story. Meanwhile, DV included two crucial scenes with Kynes from the book that Lynch did not; Max Von Sydow was a good choice to play the role but he wasn't able to play to its faithful conclusion in the 1984 Dune. Quite a miss from Lynch, since it is through Kynes more than Idaho that Paul is able to ally with the Fremen. Villenueve also touched on Kynes' role as the ecological chieftain of the Fremen and the heir to their dream of a transformed Arrakis. Lynch's theatrical cut dropped that entire aspect of the character. Therefore, Villeneuve is closer to the book than Lynch because he preserved both of the main narrative points for that character.