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Has issues too. I needed to see more Yueh, Thufir, Kynes, and Piter. We also needed to see that dinner party sequence with the reference to the humiliating water ritual and the tension between the different nobles. Despite how long the movie is and the fact he only had to turn in half the story, I remember sitting in the theater astonished that we had gotten to the ambush on Arakeen already and by the end I wasn't entirely certain what all the runtime had been spent on. I understand completely why he ended the movie on the duel with Jamis but I also feel like it should have ended on the escape through the sandstorm. That would have freed up about 27 minutes of run time to give us those important scenes with Yueh and his wife's bible, the dinner party, the tension between Thufir and Jessica, and Piter being a cunning and creepy sadist. I feel like if Villeneuve knew for certain that Part Two was going to be made that he would have given us a different edit and a different pacing to Part One.
Both soundtracks are pretty boss to me. I play both the 1984 and the 2021 soundtracks regularly, as well as the Westwood Studio game soundtracks.
I never played that one but I saw it being played a couple of times. By the time I even knew about that version I was engrossed in Dune II. But I like the idea of that game because it was an early 4X-ish type game that came out around the same time as Civ I and Empire Deluxe.
Edit: Cryo Interactive's Dune also means that the guys complaining about 4x elements in Spice Wars are barking up the wrong tree. You can do RTS and 4X elements in one. I've actually wanted to see that out of a current Dune game for a while now. I really like the RTS combat in the desert concept but I also like the idea of dealing with economic and political intrigue.
Yeah, I remember that one. But I assumed it wasn't mentioned, because it's vastly different from the rest being more point and click adventure. It was interesting and definitely had a "mystique" that made me interested in Dune, but as an actual game I liked Dune 2 much more, being one of the first RTS's that set a template for many to follow.
The special effect were class, I give it that.
Though listening to Lynch himself, not sure if it should be called the Lynch movie.
I wonder what the movie would have looked like, if they would have given him the artistical freedom.
No, the Lynch movie was never good. It was messy, incomprehensible and stilted. And a total failure.
Critical reception was poor. Roger Ebert, one of the biggest industry voices of the time, gave it a one star review[www.rogerebert.com]: "This movie is a real mess, an incomprehensible, ugly, unstructured, pointless excursion into the murkier realms of one of the most confusing screenplays of all time." And he wasn't the only one. It was nearly universally panned.
Even before it hit the theatres - where it was going to turn a loss - Universal already knew it was going to be a confused mess. Their solution was to hand out pamphlets with terminology outside of the theaters. Which people, I assume, would have to study in the dark.
Lynch himself knew it was a bad movie as well. He bemoaned that he didn't get the final cut and called himself a sell-out and that it was a great sadness in his life. He says it's the worst film he has made, and disowned it by later substituting his own name with Alan Smithee and his writing credit to Judas Booth - two names that are black marks in the film industry.
The studio really hamstrung the production. Though its designs were gorgeous in concept, the budget forced the people working on the film to be... creative about their work. The personal shields came down to boxes that they had to hand draw. The boxes clipped through themselves and showed the faces of the stuntmen. The worm-puppet was received with mixed reactions. The chroma key effects - as far as they were present - were ugly. That's a thing of the time, of course, but considering there was no need for them in many places, they should've stuck with their practical effects. Shots where the ornithopters would fly over the dunes should have been done practically. If they had left that up to their talent, they would not have ended up with red cubes awkwardly hovering through a yellow sky.
But Lynch's film also fails as a Dune film. In contrast to the book, the hero is not a teenager that tries to find his place in this universe and struggles with his destiny, but a young man that is competent, stable and unshakeable. In contrast to the book, the antagonist is not a sociopathic, amoral, but intelligent nobleman, but a nauseating, insane, blood-drinking cartoon character.
The themes of the book were also tossed overboard. The books told us about the trappings of leaders, what a disaster such a person can be. It got us to think about how much a human being can become deified in the mind of their followers. The Lynch film told us about a leader that ended up with superpowers like destruction using his voice and making it rain by his sheer divine will. Rather than warning us against false gods, the film showed us a true god. If Lynch understood the story, he did not show it in this movie.
In contrast, the Villeneuve film actually does this right. It looks amazing. The soundtrack, rather than being an epic film score, complements the images to really punch the audience with the strangeness that is this far off future. It is a complete, engrossing experience as you step into a universe that is alien to you.
Yes, it's quite a lot cleaner than the dustheap that is Lynch's Dune, but does not make it too clean. It's especially not too clean for this dry desert environment. It's an interesting criticism, because it goes to show that some people think that reality is unrealistic[tvtropes.org]. David Lynch partly filmed his film in the north of Mexico, but the real dusty scenes - especially those with sandworms - were simply sandboxes. Meanwhile, Villeneuve used no sandboxes in lieu of locations. He filmed everything in the Jordan desert, but it turns out that the even dusty desert didn't have that texture that Villeneuve wanted, so he actually transferred the shot footage from digital to 35mm film and back to digital to get rid of the sterile shots and gain a soft texture.
Then there's remarks such as that in 1984, "they did not have the technology to properly display mass fights with melee and force shields". This is absolute nonsense. Decades before, during the 1950s, it was something that Hollywood directors took pride in, to have an amazing amount of extra's. What's more, in 1960, Stanley Kubric had legions of extra's fighting one another in the movie Spartacus. As for force shields, this too is nonsense. The shields in the final result were rotoscoped onto the film over the course of a year. They could have done it differently. They just didn't.
"The new movie auto-assumes you know everything about the world and setting. It removes any narration." This person clearly has not watched the film. The very first line is narration. The world itself is plenty clearly explained. Maybe not always through voice-overs, but that's a good thing. Look at the first scene in which we see Paul, for example. This is where we are "told" about the Voice. At his mother's request, Paul commands her with the Voice to give him the water. While the Voice echoes, you see her tensing up and moving the glass. But then the camera snaps back to Jessica looking up as the Voice dies down, and the glass is back in its old position. She tells him that he needs to practice more and gives him the glass in a relaxed manner. This is how you, the audience, are shown that the Voice affects the mind, forcing people to do something. The film uses this "trick" a few times throughout and establishes such cues. Through clever editing such as that, you learn about the world and the setting. It teaches you without narration. This is a good thing. Show. Don't tell.
With the exception of a few story points missing - Yueh's scenes getting cut was not something that should've happened - the Villeneuve movie is in nearly every aspect on the same level if not better than the Lynch movie.
thing about the "weirding modules" or "sonic weapons" is that it took the strength of the bene gesserit from the human to a tool. hence completely throwing the bene gesserit's focus on "the human" aside.
its really a killer mistake.
though i have to say. being low on budget as i heard, and not letting the director have the final say in the movie, plus the technology from 80s... yeah... it wasnt the time to make a dune movie.
Same, just though it was a really cool idea to use sound based weapons.
Lynch's movie was a gateway to the Dune universe for thousand and thousand of people, me included, so i always will have a soft spot for it.
Killer music, great visual, very good casting, there is a lot to love about it. And, a detail maybe, but i always liked the 40's style of the uniform and to this day, that's still a part of my personal Dune aesctetic. (how i imagine it)
Villeneuve's movie? I don't know, i can't say i have a lot against it save for that ridiculous lack of colors contrast and how dull everything look.
And see, that's kind of the main issue in a way i have with that movie. It left me cold. I don't love it, i don't hate it, just meh. When Lynch's movie was a slap.
Oh and by the way, Herbert himself gave Lynch the green light concerning some designs, like the stillsuit for example. That's kind of cool.
Those sonic weapons had legs too--they became signature for most of the Westwood Studios RTS titles. Not just Dune games but also C&C2 and 3.
I liked how the sonic weapons in Dune '84 aren't just a substitute for martial arts but has an actual narrative pay off at the end when "Usul no longer needs the weirding module." The idea that Paul is a literal Lisan al Gaib, with the ability to knock back the Reverend Mother and to burst Feyd open, is as creative interpretation of Herbert's ideas even if it thwarts his intent.
The 1984 movie was a total mess. And the one and only film of Lynch he wish he never made.
The 2000 mini series however is quite good, but it looks extremely cheap.
I'm not talking about oversights or major inconsistencies in the script.
Aesthetic movie, The villeneuve's vision of Dune.
For a wide audience
Who will probably have forgotten after his vision.
And surely understood nothing of the original Dune's universe.
Dune's Lynch is better.
Difficult to correctly transcribe the universe of Dune with the technical means of the 80's. But the film more better respects the original Franck Herbert's Dune.
"If you're familiar with the book, you hated the movie. If you're unfamiliar with the book, you couldn't understand the movie."
"Weirding modules"? WTF?