Dune: Spice Wars

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Blitzwing 2021 年 12 月 9 日 下午 11:07
What Factions will game have? Fremen, House Corrino/Emperor, Ix ?
What Factions will game have? Fremen, House Corrino/Emperor, Ix ?
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Silvertongued Devil 2022 年 1 月 8 日 上午 1:20 
引用自 Blitzwing
Fremen and Smugglers should not be factions, simply as they rather fit into gameplay mechanics like mercenaries or traders.

Other Organizations like
Bene Gesserit, Bene Tleilax, CHOAM, Spacing Guild, Padishah Emperor & Sardaukar should clearly be gameplay mechanics, not playable factions.

Great Houses should be playable factions.
Besides Atreides and Harkonnen are dozens of great houses.

The other Great Houses should be playable factions -- but we know very little about the other Great Houses, and almost none of them had anything to do with Dune.

Basically the most interesting factions in the game aren't the Great Houses but the supposedly neutral side-factions who have a slew of crazy schemes that made the book more interesting. Moreover, those organizations - Gesserit, Tleilax, Spacing Guild, Emperor, etc., - have precedent as factions in games based on the setting, so it's not outside the realm of possibility.

The old Dune boardgame was an excellent example of how they could be implemented - stuff like the Bene Gesserit being fairly weak militarily but could gain advantages via accurate predictions and by aligning themselves with other, stronger factions, essentially becoming a support player.

TBH I'm all for increased asymmetry as that tends to make games like these more engaging, but regardless of how you think they should play it the lore will be bent to fit into positions they weren't canonically in - whether it be the Spacing Guild being a playable, independent faction, or the Great Houses involving themselves with Dune despite never touching the planet in the books.

All in all we're just starving for more information. We want to see how it shapes up. If it's going to be more Europa Universalis, more Northgard, more conventional RTS, or something else entirely.
最后由 Silvertongued Devil 编辑于; 2022 年 1 月 8 日 上午 1:21
Unreal434 2022 年 1 月 8 日 下午 6:13 
For me it would ideally look like this:

Emperor, Bene Gesserit and Spacing Guild would be NPC factions and you could deepen your relations with them by helping their agenda or bribing them to get benefits in return. Kinda like HRE emperor, Vatican curia or Qing tributary system in Europa Universalis.

Playable factions would be Houses of Atreides, Harkonnen, Fenring and Vernius.

And the Fremen, the Mercenaries and the Smugglers would be somewhere in between where if you get them on your side or pay them you get direct support in form of new specialized units and more covert actions.
Buntkreuz 2022 年 1 月 14 日 下午 4:48 
I assume the Fremen will become a neutral Faction that influences the world either way and can be interacted with in a diplomatic way.
See, all the Houses are "invaders" to the Fremen.
So my guess is, following the experience they made with Northgard, that they rather use them as a neutral faction on the map.
It will possibly be somewhat similar to the Giants or the other neutral Factions in Northgard.
Possibly just more developed, possibly claiming their own space and resources and possibly having a diplomatic stance towards you and the other players.

Which would be much more interesting anyway. As they could be used as allies by giving them what they want and thus being used as an aggressor towards your enemies.
They would basically become a more complex mercenary force.

Thus i assume the Fremen wont be a faction and actually i think that could be for the better.
It would also make more sense, not only in terms of game design but also in terms of the narrative/lore.

So basically i agree to the previous comment from Unreal434.
Some neutral factions, then the playable factions and the Fremen somwhere inbetween.
Atreides could have a faction bonus to the relationship with them and also gain access to tech or units from the Fremen.
But im currently not seeing the benefit of making them their own faction.
最后由 Buntkreuz 编辑于; 2022 年 1 月 14 日 下午 4:50
Sanctus-Susanin 2022 年 1 月 15 日 下午 3:22 
引用自 Blitzwing
引用自 Huggernaut
Based on the characters speaking in the trailer (Leto / Baron / Chani / Tuek), i think the 4 factions are going to be Atreides / Harkonnen / Fremen and Smugglers.
Fremen and Smugglers should not be factions, simply as they rather fit into gameplay mechanics like mercenaries or traders.

Other Organizations like
Bene Gesserit, Bene Tleilax, CHOAM, Spacing Guild, Padishah Emperor & Sardaukar should clearly be gameplay mechanics, not playable factions.

Great Houses should be playable factions.
Besides Atreides and Harkonnen are dozens of great houses.

I kinda agree with that and +1 much of your speculations, except:
- Fremen are playable faction in Dune board game, equal to others; it was a playable part of Dune2000 i guess; their logo is on the promo screenshot
- House Corrino is a great house, and sardaukars were indeed matched in books, films and games with sardaukars + we know that fremen are in game -> Corrino is likely candidate
- there are not so many GREAT houses that described by more than just one phrase in whole Dune wiki, imagine making full-scale playable faction....
Blitzwing 2022 年 1 月 15 日 下午 3:51 
Actually in the books they are very good descibed.

House Thorvald, which lead a rebelion against Paul Muad's House Atreides did become emperor.
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Thorvald

House Vernius, most know them as IX
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Vernius

House Richese with cheaper tech, rivals of House Vernius
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Richese

House Moritani, had a long-standing feud with House Ginaz, which eventually saw the latter defeated in a War of Assassins. The emperors of House Corrino, supported House Moritani, and House Atreides supported House Ginaz.
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Moritani
Sanctus-Susanin 2022 年 1 月 15 日 下午 4:00 
引用自 Blitzwing
Actually in the books they are very good descibed.

House Thorvald, which lead a rebelion against Paul Muad's House Atreides did become emperor.
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Thorvald

House Vernius, most know them as IX
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Vernius

House Richese with cheaper tech, rivals of House Vernius
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Richese

House Moritani, had a long-standing feud with House Ginaz, which eventually saw the latter defeated in a War of Assassins. The emperors of House Corrino, supported House Moritani, and House Atreides supported House Ginaz.
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Moritani

they all look like good candidates for 5th slot, after fremen. May be 4th, on par with Corrino
FDR'sThinkTank 2022 年 1 月 15 日 下午 4:51 
Perhaps the Voting Mechanic in Politics would only be available to the Landsraad Houses.
For Bene Organizations (Which I am including Mentats, Life Doctors, Truth Sayers, etc.), For House Corrino, for CHOAM (and smugglers) , for Fremen, for other potential forces, they might have different political mechanics that represent their ambitions and means of influence. After all, other than maybe the Machines, everyone would have methods of exercising politics in the Empire. They also would also have potential reasons to have forces on the planet Dune (outside of direct spice retrieval, which the Emperor grants to members of the Landsraad to set them against each other.)

Obviously, it makes more sense to focus on the Landsraad for the initial release, to flesh out the political system and balance it. Then you can step back and consider other ways of interacting with that system with slightly alternative goals/win conditions/infrastructure for non-Landsraad factions.
FiniteThrills 2022 年 1 月 15 日 下午 8:03 
引用自 NauticalPhoenix
引用自 rumax
Atreides
Harkonnen
ordos (non canon)
freeman
emperor Sardaukars

There is only space for four on the Steam page. I think the other two are Corrino and Fremen

They said they'd be adding a 5th sometime during EA. It's launching EA with 4
Blitzwing 2022 年 2 月 3 日 下午 9:57 
引用自 Supply Lines
Perhaps the Voting Mechanic in Politics would only be available to the Landsraad Houses.
For Bene Organizations (Which I am including Mentats, Life Doctors, Truth Sayers, etc.), For House Corrino, for CHOAM (and smugglers) , for Fremen, for other potential forces, they might have different political mechanics that represent their ambitions and means of influence. After all, other than maybe the Machines, everyone would have methods of exercising politics in the Empire. They also would also have potential reasons to have forces on the planet Dune (outside of direct spice retrieval, which the Emperor grants to members of the Landsraad to set them against each other.)

Obviously, it makes more sense to focus on the Landsraad for the initial release, to flesh out the political system and balance it. Then you can step back and consider other ways of interacting with that system with slightly alternative goals/win conditions/infrastructure for non-Landsraad factions.
I see a big problem to add anything else than great houses as factions.

Bene Organizations, Space Travel Guild and smugglers don't have armies.

House Corrino '= Emperor is not supposed to be on Dune at all,
"due to balance of power things"

Fremen are various, not united tribes with no real tech capacity for warfare.
Only after Muadib did join them they got united and the technological know-how.
Lord Bubba 2022 年 2 月 5 日 上午 12:48 
Atreides
Harkonnen
Freman
Emperor
最后由 Lord Bubba 编辑于; 2022 年 2 月 5 日 上午 12:48
Delta Dagger 2022 年 2 月 5 日 上午 9:12 
MFW all these offworlders want our spice
Maltebyte 2022 年 3 月 7 日 上午 8:17 
引用自 Ghostel
I'm more confused why Atreides primary colour is green in promo materials. Wasn't it always blue?
Apparently they are going by the book!
Lord Bubba 2022 年 3 月 7 日 上午 8:40 
Gotta get away from Westwood and Dune 2000!
Huggernaut 2022 年 4 月 11 日 下午 6:35 
Just posting again to say that i was right. I expect full apologies from everyone that doubted me.
Lord Bubba 2022 年 4 月 11 日 下午 7:11 
引用自 Huggernaut
Just posting again to say that i was right. I expect full apologies from everyone that doubted me.

In...what way?
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