Will there be a unit Tos-1 or mod support?

[Gurthbrooks6260]

Hoping to see all kinds of units here and one would be the Tos-1 tank? Also will there be mod support ? Like adding in the new military units? Like the US light vehicle with Mortor in the back with ammo rack?

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

We are getting the TOS-2 so it would be weird to not get the TOS-1. As for Mod support we do not know the level that will be coming to the game.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

We are getting the TOS-2 so it would be weird to not get the TOS-1. As for Mod support we do not know the level that will be coming to the game.

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

[commissaire lachance🇫🇷]

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

We are getting the TOS-2 so it would be weird to not get the TOS-1. As for Mod support we do not know the level that will be coming to the game.

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

vanilla libbies will always remain the most numerous, you are free to mod your game or not if you like, for example I find that WGRD would be much more competitive if advanced modding tools existed on this game (possibility to add assets or others)

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

We are getting the TOS-2 so it would be weird to not get the TOS-1. As for Mod support we do not know the level that will be coming to the game.

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

Mods will be a thing and it is one way of keeping the game alive, community content is going to be extremely important.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

Mods will be a thing and it is one way of keeping the game alive, community content is going to be extremely important.

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

vanilla libbies will always remain the most numerous, you are free to mod your game or not if you like, for example I find that WGRD would be much more competitive if advanced modding tools existed on this game (possibility to add assets or others)

I personally think it depends from what community content we talk about. I.e Men of War has been ruined by mods at some point as everyone used different mods which isolated players from each other.

If mods are maps. Fine.
If mods are differently looking units, Fine.

But if we start with complete overhauls and a large number of different mods, this won't be fun anymore. Eventually this is a strategy game an RTS. You don't need mods to enjoy the strategic and tactical gameplay.

Hence I would rather appreciate if devs strictly control the kind of mods or enable mod support only after 10 or 15 years, before that, the game will get plenty of attention.

World in Conflict did not have mods and was perfectly fine !

Nah, developers just need to stick with the game, release small nation DLCs from time to time, a few updates, maps and so on and people will keep playing and they will keep earning. As simple as that.

I as a developer could not care less if the game is " alive " or not. If people get bored and can't use mods and therefore leave, whatever ? Even if I use the product for 2 years, I already got worth my money. Better than ruining the entire community and accessibility with mods and forcing veterans to play silly garbage just so they have someone to play with.

Look at Arma 3...Mods ruined this game, it literally consists only of mods and is super inaccessible for casual gamers.

[Super Twinkie Chud Qners]

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

Look at Arma 3...Mods ruined this game, it literally consists only of mods and is super inaccessible for casual gamers.

This is by far the most incorrect and absurd thing someone has ever said on the steam forums which is sad given how many stupid takes ive seen on steam.

I dont even know where to begin with this statement or the general sentiment around mods in general, keep in mind ARMA 3s modding scene is completely voluntary and the reason so many mods exist for the game is because people play themand want to play them. They dont 'divide" anything, they create and curate the experiences that the player desires and cares for, and so be it, because great franchises like Squad, Arma, counter strike (and every source game for that matter) and a LOT of other games have come to fruition and/or thrive because of mods.

Another thing, ARMA 3 isnt really a casual game, and it never attempted to be, because its a simulation. Its a hardcore experience that at the time of release required a hardcore computer that asked a lot of the player. Regardless, you can currently go in the ARMA 3 server list and go find a pub of people just playing whatever game mode with vanilla assets, i do this from time to time.

If mods werent fun people wouldnt make them.

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

I as a developer could not care less if the game is " alive " or not. If people get bored and can't use mods and therefore leave, whatever ? Even if I use the product for 2 years, I already got worth my money. Better than ruining the entire community and accessibility with mods and forcing veterans to play silly garbage just so they have someone to play with.

This is the attitude and thought profile that EA has and its the exact reason why its been voted the worst company in america 3 separate times, and keep in mind theyre fighting with 343 for that spot.

Im absolutely mind blown by the sheer level of ignorance at display over one of gamings most important pieces of history and culture.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by GermanIdealist1995:

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

Look at Arma 3...Mods ruined this game, it literally consists only of mods and is super inaccessible for casual gamers.

This is by far the most incorrect and absurd thing someone has ever said on the steam forums which is sad given how many stupid takes ive seen on steam.

I dont even know where to begin with this statement or the general sentiment around mods in general, keep in mind ARMA 3s modding scene is completely voluntary and the reason so many mods exist for the game is because people play themand want to play them. They dont 'divide" anything, they create and curate the experiences that the player desires and cares for, and so be it, because great franchises like Squad, Arma, counter strike (and every source game for that matter) and a LOT of other games have come to fruition and/or thrive because of mods.

Another thing, ARMA 3 isnt really a casual game, and it never attempted to be, because its a simulation. Its a hardcore experience that at the time of release required a hardcore computer that asked a lot of the player. Regardless, you can currently go in the ARMA 3 server list and go find a pub of people just playing whatever game mode with vanilla assets, i do this from time to time.

If mods werent fun people wouldnt make them.

Originally posted by Kwasoholic:

I as a developer could not care less if the game is " alive " or not. If people get bored and can't use mods and therefore leave, whatever ? Even if I use the product for 2 years, I already got worth my money. Better than ruining the entire community and accessibility with mods and forcing veterans to play silly garbage just so they have someone to play with.

This is the attitude and thought profile that EA has and its the exact reason why its been voted the worst company in america 3 separate times, and keep in mind theyre fighting with 343 for that spot.

Im absolutely mind blown by the sheer level of ignorance at display over one of gamings most important pieces of history and culture.

Its not incorrect, first and foremost because YOU just share an opinion as well, same as everyone on here. You are not speaking facts.

I have been playing Arma/Operation Flashpoint since dawn of time and Arma 3 is the only game within the series that makes it actually hard to find a decent server without mods and switching around freely between servers is next to impossible without always having to download a mod. I do not consider this good, this is just annoying and I refunded the game due to this.

So I will just dismiss anything else you have said as non is a fact but your personal view of the things, which I respect but don't share.

I stick to my opinion. Broken Arrow should not get mod support but an active and motivated team of devs releasing content.

"This is the attitude and thought profile that EA has and its the exact reason why its been voted the worst company in america 3 separate times"

- Yeah, the worst company, yet EA is one of the richest and most succesful and popular game companies on the entire planet. See how your argument does not work out there ?

[MetroCZ]

Originally posted by Panzerfranz:

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

Mods will be a thing and it is one way of keeping the game alive, community content is going to be extremely important.

Originally posted by commissaire lachance🇫🇷:

vanilla libbies will always remain the most numerous, you are free to mod your game or not if you like, for example I find that WGRD would be much more competitive if advanced modding tools existed on this game (possibility to add assets or others)

I personally think it depends from what community content we talk about. I.e Men of War has been ruined by mods at some point as everyone used different mods which isolated players from each other.

If mods are maps. Fine.
If mods are differently looking units, Fine.

But if we start with complete overhauls and a large number of different mods, this won't be fun anymore. Eventually this is a strategy game an RTS. You don't need mods to enjoy the strategic and tactical gameplay.

Hence I would rather appreciate if devs strictly control the kind of mods or enable mod support only after 10 or 15 years, before that, the game will get plenty of attention.

World in Conflict did not have mods and was perfectly fine !

Nah, developers just need to stick with the game, release small nation DLCs from time to time, a few updates, maps and so on and people will keep playing and they will keep earning. As simple as that.

I as a developer could not care less if the game is " alive " or not. If people get bored and can't use mods and therefore leave, whatever ? Even if I use the product for 2 years, I already got worth my money. Better than ruining the entire community and accessibility with mods and forcing veterans to play silly garbage just so they have someone to play with.

Look at Arma 3...Mods ruined this game, it literally consists only of mods and is super inaccessible for casual gamers.

How did overhaul mods ruined Men of War? If you are one of those people that want every RTS to be "e-sport" ready then I have bad news for you. Most of people play RTS games either solo or coop.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by MetroCZ:

Originally posted by Panzerfranz:

I personally think it depends from what community content we talk about. I.e Men of War has been ruined by mods at some point as everyone used different mods which isolated players from each other.

If mods are maps. Fine.
If mods are differently looking units, Fine.

But if we start with complete overhauls and a large number of different mods, this won't be fun anymore. Eventually this is a strategy game an RTS. You don't need mods to enjoy the strategic and tactical gameplay.

Hence I would rather appreciate if devs strictly control the kind of mods or enable mod support only after 10 or 15 years, before that, the game will get plenty of attention.

World in Conflict did not have mods and was perfectly fine !

Nah, developers just need to stick with the game, release small nation DLCs from time to time, a few updates, maps and so on and people will keep playing and they will keep earning. As simple as that.

I as a developer could not care less if the game is " alive " or not. If people get bored and can't use mods and therefore leave, whatever ? Even if I use the product for 2 years, I already got worth my money. Better than ruining the entire community and accessibility with mods and forcing veterans to play silly garbage just so they have someone to play with.

Look at Arma 3...Mods ruined this game, it literally consists only of mods and is super inaccessible for casual gamers.

How did overhaul mods ruined Men of War? If you are one of those people that want every RTS to be "e-sport" ready then I have bad news for you. Most of people play RTS games either solo or coop.

All of the mods split up the community so they ended up leaving.

Also, what source states that most people play RTS online or in coop ?

The wargame series is mostly played in PvP, World in Conflict was PvP only after one has finished the campaign, same goes for Sudden Strike and Blitzkrieg as well as for most people playing Company of Heroes.

Not sure what " most people " and what specific RTS you talk about, but people are certainly very interested in PvP.

Also, I hate E-Sports. I just don't want to be extorted into downloading tons of mods just to find a decent lobby.

[McKnight]

Originally posted by DrZoidberg92:

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

We are getting the TOS-2 so it would be weird to not get the TOS-1. As for Mod support we do not know the level that will be coming to the game.

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

lol you don't want to use mods don't.. Why would you try to enforce this restriction on other people?

[Zeno]

Originally posted by GoodKnight-IL:

Originally posted by DrZoidberg92:

I hope they won't allow mods. I don't want to be forced to download dozens of mods just to freely skip between lobbies/servers. No thanks.

If one wants to use mods in singleplayer, whatever, but not for public multiplayer please. That would ruin the game and split the community.

Game looks pretty good, I don't see a reason for mods either, especially not before the game has even been released. Some people seem to have some sort of obsession with modding every bloody game they buy. Not every game needs modding !

lol you don't want to use mods don't.. Why would you try to enforce this restriction on other people?

I have already explained why. I am really not a big friend of repeating myself.

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

Originally posted by hurq:

Originally posted by GoodKnight-IL:

lol you don't want to use mods don't.. Why would you try to enforce this restriction on other people?

I have already explained why. I am really not a big friend of repeating myself.

You haven't really explained why at all, certainly not with any good reasoning.

[McKnight]

Originally posted by hurq:

Originally posted by GoodKnight-IL:

lol you don't want to use mods don't.. Why would you try to enforce this restriction on other people?

I have already explained why. I am really not a big friend of repeating myself.

Yeah sorry man you just sound like an EA shill..
And your reasons are pretty much absolute bs sorry not sorry.. You gave 2 examples ARMA 3 and MOW.. both games I played for years arma all the way back when it was still called operation flashpoint.. Mods made these games my friend..
Total war is another example. And anyone that doesn't want to mess around with mods can just play vanilla.. They are usually very common and there is always an option to search just for vanilla servers

So no your reasons aren't good you are just looking to enforce your restrictions on other people.. plus not everyone wants to play these games online some people also play SP so why should they suffer just because u don't want mods?

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

Originally posted by hurq:

I have already explained why. I am really not a big friend of repeating myself.

You haven't really explained why at all, certainly not with any good reasoning.

I have made several statements explaining why I am against it.

Scroll up. If this isn't enough good reasoning for you, then you are resistant against any other opinion than your own anyway.

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

Originally posted by hurq:

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

You haven't really explained why at all, certainly not with any good reasoning.

I have made several statements explaining why I am against it.

Scroll up. If this isn't enough good reasoning for you, then you are resistant against any other opinion than your own anyway.

Mods have become an integral part of most games, adding more value to the game itself than the standalone experience, also I've yet to actually see a game where the community was split and they left as you supposedly claim with Men of War.

Also your statement is based not on fact but conjecture.