Broken Arrow

Broken Arrow

FierceTomato Jan 23, 2022 @ 8:51am
Help me, Steel Balalaika. You're my only hope.
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capi Jan 23, 2022 @ 9:11am 
I Don't like warno right? xD
FierceTomato Jan 23, 2022 @ 9:24am 
Originally posted by capi:
I Don't like warno right? xD

WARNO, while is probobly a decent game in itself, is not the successor to Wargame.

The fact that Eugen markets it as such, is what is so foul for me. They have learned nothing from Steel Divison 1, or 2.

They know they failed, and they know the Wargame community has been begging them for a true sequal for years, only for them to stubbornly ignore us, and Wargame. They neglected Wargame and stated that it will no longer be worked on. After the failures of steel division they realize that they should try to tap back into their 'loyal' fanbase. For weeks they advertised this game being the true successor to Wargame, but it is nothing but a reskin of Steel Division.

The entire exeprience is clunky and horrible, and feels so arcadey. The scale of everything is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and the visuals are so assbackwards cartoonish, its hard to take it seriously.

Wargame provided the distinct feeling that you were infact commanding a sizable army, with somewhat realistic values. Certain units felt powerfull, and potent. Everything in Warno felt neutered and just downright weak. The Morale system is funky, and just gamey in general.

Needless to say, as some one who has put in thousands of hours in Wargame, I had very high expectations for WARNO. Perhaps that is my fault for setting myself up for disappointment, but I'll be damned if I consider this a successor for Wargame.

Don't drop the ball Steel Balalaika.
Chester Jan 23, 2022 @ 9:49am 
Personally i'm most hyped for 'Regiments' :)
capi Jan 23, 2022 @ 10:10am 
Originally posted by FierceTomato:
Originally posted by capi:
I Don't like warno right? xD

WARNO, while is probobly a decent game in itself, is not the successor to Wargame.

The fact that Eugen markets it as such, is what is so foul for me. They have learned nothing from Steel Divison 1, or 2.

They know they failed, and they know the Wargame community has been begging them for a true sequal for years, only for them to stubbornly ignore us, and Wargame. They neglected Wargame and stated that it will no longer be worked on. After the failures of steel division they realize that they should try to tap back into their 'loyal' fanbase. For weeks they advertised this game being the true successor to Wargame, but it is nothing but a reskin of Steel Division.

The entire exeprience is clunky and horrible, and feels so arcadey. The scale of everything is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and the visuals are so assbackwards cartoonish, its hard to take it seriously.

Wargame provided the distinct feeling that you were infact commanding a sizable army, with somewhat realistic values. Certain units felt powerfull, and potent. Everything in Warno felt neutered and just downright weak. The Morale system is funky, and just gamey in general.

Needless to say, as some one who has put in thousands of hours in Wargame, I had very high expectations for WARNO. Perhaps that is my fault for setting myself up for disappointment, but I'll be damned if I consider this a successor for Wargame.

Don't drop the ball Steel Balalaika.
I was hyped but now... I Don't
know, like you Saíd, the Game feels arcadey and clunky, and Yes, I thinks is a SD reskin. May be broken arrow is a miracle
Last edited by capi; Jan 23, 2022 @ 10:33am
Silence Suzuka Jan 23, 2022 @ 10:57am 
Same. I don't like WARNO at all.
It almost dropped all the good point I'd like to in SD2 and Wargame.

regiment deck sucks a lot, Eugen just bad at making balance (look at SD and SD2), then don't even able to make a balanced country in RedDragon and they think they can balance between even more regiments.

The armor goes back to the old 0-20 ranking instead of real thickness in SD2, and RPG-7 have 30 penetration. Come on, Eugen, show me how were you able to pen a modern MBT's front armor with RPG-7? No idea what they were thinking.

And it is really not in a playable stat right now. There are many crucial units missing (no Radar AA for US)

No, I'd like to wait for Broken Arrow。
inix40 Jan 23, 2022 @ 12:29pm 
It amazes me how every other random topic ends with the same result after just few posts. And it doesn't need to make any sense .. Random topic ---> WARNO is ♥♥♥♥ ... so much hate in people nowadays ...
Chester Jan 23, 2022 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by Zloba:
It amazes me how every other random topic ends with the same result after just few posts. And it doesn't need to make any sense .. Random topic ---> WARNO is ♥♥♥♥ ... so much hate in people nowadays ...

:spycon:
Dionysos Jan 23, 2022 @ 12:49pm 
Originally posted by Zloba:
It amazes me how every other random topic ends with the same result after just few posts. And it doesn't need to make any sense .. Random topic ---> WARNO is ♥♥♥♥ ... so much hate in people nowadays ...


There is no hate in dont liking a product and telling whats worng with it. It annoys me that every form of critic and pointing out ♥♥♥♥♥♥ marketing, advertising and products is called hate nowadays. I know that some people think we should quitly consume and consume and consume and maybe some younger people from the west are doing so. But not eveyone likes that.

Warno just looks like a alpha Cashgrab. Sure, they will update it. But 40€ for an alpha makes me kind of disappointed. So I refunded. Just be honest from the beginning and dont price a alpha almost as high as other top tier games.
inix40 Jan 23, 2022 @ 1:57pm 
The OP started it just to hate on the game as what he posted in his 2 posts is nowhere near to constructive criticism. It's just crying of one person that wanted the game to be Wargame 4.

My point is, there are tons and tons of topics like this one over on the WARNO discussions. I came here to see what's new with Broken Arrow and all i can see is the same crap over and over again. Then i check Regiment's Discord and you can guess what. I'm just sick of it.

We have 3 RTS "Wargame-like" games coming out (probably) during this year. The playerbase should be happy for that but they are "choosing a side" and talk crap on the other one instead. That's just showing what kind of players do play these games really.
[CI]_Emilio Jan 27, 2022 @ 10:11am 
Originally posted by Dionysos:
Originally posted by Zloba:
It amazes me how every other random topic ends with the same result after just few posts. And it doesn't need to make any sense .. Random topic ---> WARNO is ♥♥♥♥ ... so much hate in people nowadays ...


There is no hate in dont liking a product and telling whats worng with it. It annoys me that every form of critic and pointing out ♥♥♥♥♥♥ marketing, advertising and products is called hate nowadays. I know that some people think we should quitly consume and consume and consume and maybe some younger people from the west are doing so. But not eveyone likes that.

Warno just looks like a alpha Cashgrab. Sure, they will update it. But 40€ for an alpha makes me kind of disappointed. So I refunded. Just be honest from the beginning and dont price a alpha almost as high as other top tier games.

evening and cheers from spain, i totally agree you
gribelo Jan 29, 2022 @ 12:56pm 
Originally posted by Dionysos:
I know that some people think we should quitly consume and consume and consume.

They not only "think" that we should, they actively incept that into the minds. And they are very succesfull as you can see ))

Can you imagine selling game in 0.1 alpha state or slicing base content into 10 DLCs and sell them separately 20 years ago? Such developer would be banished instantly.

There is already a generation who are praising and protecting such methods, but they dont understand why they do it. They are literally robbed and fed with ♥♥♥♥ and they like it!

And thats only the begining, believe me!
Flamma Jan 29, 2022 @ 2:07pm 
Originally posted by gribelo:
Originally posted by Dionysos:
I know that some people think we should quitly consume and consume and consume.

They not only "think" that we should, they actively incept that into the minds. And they are very succesfull as you can see ))

Can you imagine selling game in 0.1 alpha state or slicing base content into 10 DLCs and sell them separately 20 years ago? Such developer would be banished instantly.

There is already a generation who are praising and protecting such methods, but they dont understand why they do it. They are literally robbed and fed with ♥♥♥♥ and they like it!

And thats only the begining, believe me!
Well said.
Muad'Dib Feb 7, 2022 @ 2:13am 
Honestly the less like wargame that BA is, the better. Red Dragon sucks, that's why it's MP and SD's MP is dead as hell even by RTS standards. I hope BA leans much more in the World in Conflict direction, which it seems to be, even if it has some of the same window dressings as wargame.
gribelo Feb 7, 2022 @ 4:12am 
Originally posted by Zebra Cakes:
Honestly the less like wargame that BA is, the better. Red Dragon sucks, that's why it's MP is dead

I keep seeing this since 2016. Yet dozen of tactical games are running at every moment. Stable 10vs10 playerbase in Asia and Europe at peak times. It will not die untill someone is not going to kill it.
Muad'Dib Feb 7, 2022 @ 4:47am 
Originally posted by gribelo:
Originally posted by Zebra Cakes:
Honestly the less like wargame that BA is, the better. Red Dragon sucks, that's why it's MP is dead

I keep seeing this since 2016. Yet dozen of tactical games are running at every moment. Stable 10vs10 playerbase in Asia and Europe at peak times. It will not die untill someone is not going to kill it.
Buddy when you have to start mentioning 'peak times', the multiplayer is dead. Don't feel bad, there's plenty of RTS games I like with dead MP, like Men of War, but even Men of War, as ridiculously demanding as it is, tends to be much more alive than Red Dragon. I just don't think Wargame is fundamentally well designed. It's popularity is a mix of the deck system, and the total lack of competition in this niche(Well, up until recently now with BA and Regiments).

IMO Eugen just doesn't know how to do multiplayer. The fact that 10v10 even exists illustrates that. Eugen is the kind of dev that just throws junk into their game to have a bullet point on the steam store page, they don't care if it actually plays well or is actually fun.

Case in point: The naval gameplay introduced into Red Dragon. I mean, this is the same company that thought putting units behind a grind wall in the multiplayer of an RTS was a good idea in European Escalation.
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