Why are there multiple dlc's in this early access game?

[Purple Heart]

Dear developer, your game is in early access. That means it is buggy and incomplete.
Releasing not even 1 but 3 dlc's until your very first big update while your game is in this state feels like an insult to me because I'm concerned about the future of the game I've paid for.

So far you've already made 3 dlc's for your "supporters". At this rate you'll make atleast a few more until your game exits early access. Please do not forget or atleast try to remember that I'm supporting you too by buying your unfinished game. Also, you can make use of the time you're spending towards making those dlc's to finish your early access game.

I'm also concerned about the future of the gaming industry. Your game sure is popular and at this rate you're inevitably going to influence other developers and turn "dlc's in early access" into a common business practice if you keep this up. If you are indeed as consumer friendly as some of your fans claim you to be, please stop this madness.

Lastly, I want to thank you for the game. It was actually pretty fun to play. I've found it enjoyable even in single player. But I've completed it for now and will be waiting until your next update which will probably take another year. Hopefully without any dlc madness this time.

Thanks for reading.

[Dollop of Mayo]

Yeah except OP is just here trying to stir the pot. Couching an argument on one tenuous point of novelty.

[Purple Heart]

SupremeFeline eredeti hozzászólása:

Dude it doesn't matter because these are not add-on or expansion packs. They add cosmetics and cosmetics only.

Next Nepper eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm not talking about the content of dlc's. I'm talking about the existence of dlc's in an ea game.

SupremeFeline eredeti hozzászólása:

Go take a look at the game Deep Rock Galactic. This game has topped steam charts like 500 times. It's super popular. Its version of the supporter/founder pack has been out since DAY 1. If anything you should be upset at this game which is x10 more popular than V Rising.

Next Nepper eredeti hozzászólása:

Unfortunately they exist. But that doesn't mean any lesser "evils" should get a free pass because bigger "evils" exist. Besides, I've paid for V Rising, not for some paradox dlc crap.

[Cake.exe]

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Leslian Lexter eredeti hozzászólása:

OP you have no legs to stand on. Expansions has been part of gaming since its inception. It is not a "shady practice creeping into game", its a stable of gaming since forever. Even in the 90's we got expansions for games like Age of Empires. In the 00s we got expansions for Morrowind, Warcraft 3, Starcraft etc.

What youre really trying to argue against here, is a label, not a practice.

Yes, they existed as addon packs and expansion packs before. Yes, they changed the name. However, I don't remember them existing in games officially considered as in progress. And that is the point of my post "Why are there multiple dlc's in this early access game?"

That has been answered for you so many times but you refuse to accept it. Give up, go home and play something, reading through this thread out of boredom has now irritated me on how stupid and pathetic people can be. It's cosmetic, a separate team made it more than likely, it's not going to break the game or mean that they will stockpile 800 dlc's later on when the game is fully released. If it bugs you that much there is a simple answer, uninstall and don't play the game, or even better, just dont buy the *COSMETIC* dlc. Not hard to wrap your dumbass brain around.

[Leslian Lexter]

SupremeFeline eredeti hozzászólása:

Next Nepper eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, they existed as addon packs and expansion packs before. Yes, they changed the name. However, I don't remember them existing in games officially considered as in progress. And that is the point of my post "Why are there multiple dlc's in this early access game?"

Dude it doesn't matter because these are not add-on or expansion packs. They add cosmetics and cosmetics only. They are wholly different from say, Skyrim's Dawnguard expansion, or even *insert any Sims 4 expansion here*. Go take a look at the game Deep Rock Galactic. This game has topped steam charts like 500 times. It's super popular. Its version of the supporter/founder pack has been out since DAY 1. If anything you should be upset at this game which is x10 more popular than V Rising.

To be fair, alot of Sims 4 expansions are cosmetics only aswell.

I however would challenge the idea of what a game in progress is. Is an mmorpg a game in progress? What is the difference between a completed game and an abandoned game? Is it because youre just waiting for them to arbitrarily label a patch 1.0?

V Rising is in every sense a complete game, and was since it went into EA. You even stated yourself, that youve completed the game. You can consider Gloomrot a free expansion.

So 20 euro, for a complete survival-arpg, with innovative game mechanics, a smooth gameplay and a good 30 hours worth of time, with free expansions, is starting to look pretty good by todays standards.

[Dollop of Mayo]

No but you don't get it, it's bad because the game is in Early Access. Far worse than games with pre-order bonuses or with pay to win mechanics. Because Early Access. I've decided this is bad. Anybody who disagrees with me is a troll. Because I'm right.

[RedKiT™︻芫 ——]

:D

[Purple Heart]

Leslian Lexter eredeti hozzászólása:

I however would challenge the idea of what a game in progress is. Is an mmorpg a game in progress? What is the difference between a completed game and an abandoned game? Is it because youre just waiting for them to arbitrarily label a patch 1.0?

I've not said "I completed the game". I've said "completed it for now." Big difference.

Leslian Lexter eredeti hozzászólása:

V Rising is in every sense a complete game, and was since it went into EA. You even stated yourself, that youve completed the game. You can consider Gloomrot a free expansion.

Yes, V Rising is "in every sense a complete game" if you ignore the existence of:

1. Two gigantic empty areas on the map.
   
2. Atleast 3 more weapons to be added(Longbow, Dagger and Rapier).
   
3. Tier 9 armor set which is currently only accessible by using a console command.
   
4. Tier 4 jewels which are currently only accessible by using a console command.
   
5. Endgame doesn't exist, game just ends without any cutscene and anything to do after killing solarus.
   
6. Entirely missing storyline/lore. There is no purpose for anything you do in this game.
   
7. Almost entirely missing voices for our vampire characters.
   
8. Two more updates like gloomrot, supposedly confirmed by the developer.

[Dollop of Mayo]

All of the stuff needed to "complete" the game could be done after it goes 1.0, which it could do right now. It could've done it before Gloomrot.

Your literal only sticking point is that the game is in Early Access, as if that really means anything special. But you've decided it has, because you want... I'm not even sure what you want, besides to incite arguments. And then block people who prove you wrong. Lol.

[Damion Wolf]

To try and make more money to support their development.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, man. This isn't new or revolutionary.

[Purple Heart]

Cuddle ♥♥♥♥ eredeti hozzászólása:

To try and make more money to support their development.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, man. This isn't new or revolutionary.

Releasing the game in early access and selling more than 4 million copies were supposed to do exactly that. I'm saying supposed to because apparently it was not enough, judging by the existence of 3 dlc's even in early access.

[System]

This is what today's insatiable entitlement looks like. Your complaints have no merit and you know damn well this game is in the top 1% on steam as far as what was delivered for $20. For an "Early Access" game, they could easily have said this is the full product and it would certainly be fair. The fact that they're still expanding it is what makes them notable and praiseworthy devs.

I'm sorry, but you strike me as the kind of person who complains a lot at restaurants.

[Dollop of Mayo]

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Cuddle ♥♥♥♥ eredeti hozzászólása:

To try and make more money to support their development.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, man. This isn't new or revolutionary.

Releasing the game in early access and selling more than 4 million copies were supposed to do exactly that. I'm saying supposed to because apparently it was not enough, judging by the existence of 3 dlc's even in early access.

Meanwhile Ubisoft is hocking a $130 preorder for their upcoming Avatar game and OP here has nothing to say.

The game's not finished and they want MORE money for it? Just like SLC! Except... Ubisoft isn't saying anything about Early Access, so they're in the clear! Ethical consistency for the win!

[Mintiper]

dont buy the DLCs then? ok, maybe you are new to EAs, but if an EA game cost 40+€ people cry "that is to expensive for a EA game" if they make it cheaper, and put DLC's out (Soundtracks, Skins, Artwork) people cry "why you have DLC for a EA game?" you are not the first one, not the last one, you are a part of people that want to complain. it is realy easy, if you dont like a companys way dont buy from them.

and you even said why DLCs are maybe a good idea. they are in EA, and sold 4 million copys. if you look on other games with this numbers in EA, after the release they dont sell so many copys. so you need to find a way that people spend more money for you.. or make it free to play, then in average people spent 100-150€ for a game, maybe this would be the best way for you?

[Purple Heart]

TryReadingQuran eredeti hozzászólása:

This is what today's insatiable entitlement looks like. Your complaints have no merit and you know damn well this game is in the top 1% on steam as far as what was delivered for $20. For an "Early Access" game, they could easily have said this is the full product and it would certainly be fair. The fact that they're still expanding it is what makes them notable and praiseworthy devs.

I'm sorry, but you strike me as the kind of person who complains a lot at restaurants.

"but it feels completed" argument has no meaning when I can just take a look at the map and see two gigantic empty areas on it. If this is your definition of "fair" I don't know what to say to you. And they are not "expanding it", they are finishing it. The game is still officially in early access. You're talking as if game already officially came out 4 years ago but dev kept releasing free updates for the game, similar to no mans sky. This is not the case here.

Mintiper eredeti hozzászólása:

if an EA game cost 40+€ people cry "that is to expensive for a EA game"

It is not "crying", it is a valid complaint. You shouldn't be charged full price for a product that is in a half finished state. But if you want to, go ahead and pay 60+ for unfinished games, I'm sure developers would LOVE even the sound of that.

Mintiper eredeti hozzászólása:

if they make it cheaper, and put DLC's out (Soundtracks, Skins, Artwork) people cry "why you have DLC for a EA game?"

The primary reason behind releasing a game in early access is earning money to support development of the game. There is no logical reason behind releasing dlc's for an early access game. Well, there is one reason, but something tells me you won't like it.

Mintiper eredeti hozzászólása:

and you even said why DLCs are maybe a good idea. they are in EA, and sold 4 million copys. if you look on other games with this numbers in EA, after the release they dont sell so many copys. so you need to find a way that people spend more money for you..

I've never said dlc's were a good idea for an early access game. What I've said was basically "maybe, if money is absolutely needed and there are no other options".
And yes, lets take a look at all the other games which had no dlc's in early access. They were able to live without dlc's despite selling way less copies BUT this game somehow needed dlc's to survive, even after selling 4+ million copies. Are you getting my point yet?

[Dollop of Mayo]

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